Who is going to kill the entire population of Gaza if I don’t press the button?
Also, in this hypothetical is my first name Benjamin?
Also, also,
But not as laughably tragic as the fa in the antifa mask.
Nobody’s going to kill them. They just drop dead instantly if the button isn’t pressed in a given amount of time.
I answered the question when it was asked of me. Feel free to show your lack of moral clarity by refusing to do the same.
It would also be nice if Hamas said “Yes” to a total and complete cease fire with Israel withdrawing all their forces from populated areas of Gaza. Instead, they apparently took 12 days to say “No”.
In that specific circumstance I’d be a moral monster if I didn’t press the button.
Thank you.
Yep Hamas are assholes, already conceded. Still doesn’t mean that the IDF can ethically slaughter Palestinians without remorse. The Trolley problem doesn’t have to stipulate that the guy who tied the people to the tracks was not a nice person.
I asked essentially this same question to an Israeli acquaintance, and his answer was (paraphrasing) “So what if we are? The Palestinians, all of them - or as near to all as makes no difference - have always hated us, and they won’t stop hating us until we’re all dead or they’ve driven us back to Europe. And since we’re not going anywhere, they’re never going to stop hating us, are they? You think I should worry that the people who already hate us as much as it’s possible for anyone to hate anything might start hating us even MORE? Why? Whether they all join Hamas or whether they don’t, it doesn’t make a difference. Either way, Hamas will always have more foot soldiers and suicide bombers than they know what to do with.”
Not being Israeli, I won’t venture an opinion on whether his sentiments are either accurate or popular, but that’s the only meaningful data point I’ve got.
Nah man
If he’s right, then there’s no point to Israel’s current military operation – Hamas cannot be defeated without genocide.
It’s kind of impressive, in a way, that somebody who is presumably a reasonably well informed news consumer, with essentially unlimited opportunities to learn about all sorts of Israeli and Palestinian perspectives over the course of a conflict that’s been violently raging for the last eight months or so, nonetheless regards one conversation with one Israeli acquaintance as “the only meaningful data point [he’s] got”.
I mean, this is some hadith-authentication-level rigor about the necessity of direct personal witness to establish reliable testimony that you’ve got going on here. 
The fact the IDF isn’t facing a Hamas force of a million or more says that’s a gross simplification to justify their own apathy (at best).
Convenient, that. The Palestinians are pre-defined as beings who all intrinsically hate Israelis for nothing other than the mere fact of their existence, irrespective of what Israelis are doing or not doing with regard to Palestinian rights and lands. So that automatically eliminates any moral imperative for Israelis to recognize any Palestinian rights or claims, because nothing they do or don’t do can possibly make any difference to the essential fact of the Palestinians’ hatred of them.
So the Israelis are officially off the hook, ethically speaking, and can do whatever they want, and all the blame for anything they do rests with the Palestinians themselves because of their completely spontaneous innate ineradicable hatred of Israelis.
Mm-hmmm.
I’ll re-up what Israel should have done (and still should do), which I’ve posted a few times before:
And more – for justice and retribution, Israel should have done this:
and this:
Israel (and the US) has gone after the perpetrators and planners of terrorism before, without killing thousands upon thousands of civilians. It can be done. It wouldn’t be easy, but it’s not impossible. There was no internet, social media, and ubiquitous cameras in the 70s, and they got it done then. That’s what Israel should have done, and still should do. Not mass carnage, both fulfilling Hamas’s plan and creating thousands upon thousands of more anti-Israel fanatics.
So do exactly what they have done, but with magic bullets that pass harmlessly around civilians.
Got it.
No, this is very, very different than what they did.
For someone who supposedly dislikes Netanyahu and the extreme right, you have an awful lot of faith in their skill, competence, and goodwill in their management of the war in Gaza. These are the same buffoons who left their country wide, wide open to the Oct 7th attacks because their attention was focused on protecting criminals in the West Bank.
And yet;
And you propose that Israel do whatever it takes and gun down every armed man in the street wirhout causing any collateral damage.
Yep. Magic bullets.
That’s not what was proposed. It’s hard for people (like yourself) who blindly worship buffoons like Netanyahu to see nuance and complexity in issues like this (along with the entire context), but I trust most Dopers understand what I’m getting at.
I’m not sure you even know what you’re getting at.
This was NEVER going to happen. “Much of the world” has NEVER been behind Israel and never will. There’s no scenario where the UN doesn’t start dropping condemnations on Israel the second they exercise the rights you claim to believe they have.
You wouldn’t get it – it dares to challenge the expertise of your idol Bibi.
Of course. Israel’s actions have nothing to do with anyone’s opinion of Israel. Because your great love Bibi is just a misunderstood hero for humanity. Only anti-Semites dare think negatively of him and his great deeds!