Netanyahu wasn’t in charge of the allies in WWII, and those who were in charge didn’t have a political incentive to keep the war going indefinitely.
OK, so we’re no longer going with “Wars are impossible to win” or “Removing Hamas from power is an impossible goal”, we’re down to “Netanyahu is not the man for the job”?
I never said the first two, but the last is undoubtedly true.
If Israel had named 2-12 people it wanted to remove from power, I would say that was an achievable goal. It could also have been achieved with a lot less bloodshed. That’s very different from “remove Hamas”. If the allies had kept going until they killed all the Nazis, and destroyed every place that Nazis every slept or gathered, there would never have been peace, and Germany would be either a wasteland or a military dictatorship today.
Did the Allies ask Germany to remove Hitler, Himmler, and a couple others from power? Or did they demand an unconditional surrender and the complete dismantling of the Nazi regime?
Nice straw man, but Israel isn’t trying to kill every Hamas member nor is Israel trying to destroy every place that Hamas has slept or gathered. Israel is trying to remove Hamas as the ruling administrative body of Gaza.
You understand there’s a difference between conventional war and asymmetric war right?
What are the metrics that demonstrate when this is complete?
Lest people believe this is some benevolent act, here’s the actual map of the West Bank Areas. Israel isn’t exactly settling in small pockets surrounded by Palestinians.
It’s more like “we can push the Palestinians into tiny little enclaves through the use of IDF-defended terrorism.”
Self-awareness is oh so close.
Netanyahu - “Every member of Hamas is a dead man.”
Netenyahu is not Israel. L’etat c’est moi does not apply to Prime Ministers. When George W. Bush declared a crusade and said that God was on our side, was he speaking for you?
Are you speaking for Israel? I think Netanyahu speaks more for Israel than you do.
I read about bombs in populated areas and the justification isn’t, “they were shooting from there”, it’s been, “there were Hamas in the area.”
“Every place Hamas members have slept” might be an exaggeration, but it certainly looks like Israel isn’t just targeting places where military activity is taking place, but also the places soldiers go home to sleep. And given how many Israeli soldiers go home to sleep with their families, that seems like Israel is saying, " yeah, you are totally justified to bomb our cities, too."
I mean, were there reservists among the concert goes who were attacked? Does that make it okay?
No, but I think the majority of Israelis would agree with me that the sooner Netenyahu is gone, the better.
Maybe, although they don’t seem to have made much progress on that objective (and AFAICT it is not expected that there will be another election cycle before either 2026 or the “end of the war”, whenever that is).
The fact remains that at present, statements Netanyahu makes are far more determinative of actual Israeli policies and actions—irrespective of whether those choices are really in the best interests of Israelis, or primarily just providing life support to the terminal stage of Netanyahu’s political career—than whatever unsupported claims you’re making about Israeli opinion.
Israel, like Gaza, has unfortunate leadership.
Which is nice and all, but are you really trying to argue Netanyahu’s statement is at odds with a population of which 40% stated the IDF wasn’t killing ENOUGH Gazans during the worst of it?
The Isaelis put him in power so presumably according to Smapti logic regarding the Palestinians and Hamas they are just as guilty as he is.
Welcome to the Wonderful World of One Way Logic.
And TBF, as the above-linked Bartov article notes, the Israeli mainstream media are pretty scrupulously shielding Israeli audiences from directly confronting the suffering of Gazans.
Massive levels of cognitive dissonance are required to maintain support for continuing attacks that are not achieving the stated goal of eliminating Hamas, are not achieving the stated goal of retrieving hostages, and are mostly just indiscriminately inflicting death and destruction on still more thousands of Palestinian civilians.
If you don’t actually want your government, or your government’s ally, to inflict death and destruction indiscriminately on tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians, you need a lot of cognitive dissonance to avoid thinking about that while still supporting the bombing. If you do on some level actually want indiscriminate death and destruction to continue at population-impacting levels because you believe it’ll make you safer in the long run, but can’t come right out and say so because that literally is advocating ethnic cleansing and genocide, even more cognitive dissonance is required to avoid being aware of your own thoughts.
Out of 251 hostages taken on 10/7, 116 have been recovered alive and only 111 remain in Hamas hands.
You were saying?
That doesn’t sound like success to me.