Ah, I see this is that new phenomenon called “sanewashing”.
I’m sorry, how do you read:
Is that a fake quote? Is it from someone else? Or is it actually the finance minister saying that it’s just and moral to starve 2M citizens of Gaza until Israel gets it’s hostage back?
And for that matter, how can there possibly be a sovereign state of Palestinians in Palestine if Israel maintains total “security control” from the river to the sea?
Starve, in English, is a word that means not letting people eat until they die. Hence ThingFish’s breathless jerking off about genocide and killing 2 to 3 million people.
The words he used in Hebrew don’t mean denying people food until they die. So pretending that he’s talking about killing everyone in Gaza is pretty dishonest and stupid - so par for the course for ThingFish in this thread.
There can’t. Netanyahu’s stance is not “giving the Palestinians a state will result in security for Israel”, it is “once the Palestinians stop trying to wipe out Israel, them having a state will no longer pose a security threat.”
And to preempt more dishonest bullshit from ThingFish and co - neither of these positions are mine; I disagree with both of them; but pretending they are saying something they are not to make your case of gEnOcIdE is pretty fucking stupid.
Phew! Not execution, just torture.
By the way, who the fuck called Smotrich a moderate? He is one of the most extreme members of parliament (only failing to win because of Ben Gvir) whose party is predicted to win 0 seats at the next election by every poll done since Oct 7. Talk about dishonest fuckery.
Maybe if your head wasn’t so far up your own ass, you’d be familiar enough with recent Israeli history to know how a radical backbencher rose out of obscurity.
You seem to be under the impression that I am defending Smotrich or his position. I’m not - his position is stupid, just like him, and I can’t wait for him to fall back into obscurity once Netanyahu goes to jail.
But surely the Palestinians thank that the current Israeli state, which asserts that it’s morally okay to make 2M Palestinians go hungry and thirsty until Hamas returns whatever is left of the hostages, is an existential threat to Palestinians, and don’t feel they can negotiate with an entity of that nature. It’s not crazy that they, also, want political control “from the river to the sea”.
This looks like a an endless cycle of violence to me. And the violence is pretty horrendous right now.
Also, the leadership of most of the Palestinian people are the PA, which controls the West Bank and doesn’t advocate exterminism. Yet Netanyahu and Smotrich are still turning their thugs loose to murder and terrorize civilians in the West Bank.
I’m not fluent in Hebrew, but I’d be interested in hearing more about this mistranslation and what you think a more accurate description would be.
Nobody is calling Smotrich a moderate. What I am saying is that nobody belonging to a party willing to be in a coalition with Smotrich deserves to be considered a moderate, either. And of course I know why Smotrich is in power, because Netanyahu is a common criminal whose first priority is keeping himself out of jail. Not sure what the point is there.
The ‘current Israeli state’ doesn’t do that, one Israeli minister said that. If that’s your standard for what the Israeli State’s official position is, there are multiple Palestinian ministers that have said they want to kill every Jew between the river and the sea, so where does THAT leave us?
Israel has had control of that entire area from 1967 onwards and yet the Palestinians are still there. If you think there would still be any Jews there if the Arab states won control of the whole region in 1967, you’re delusional.
We aren’t going anywhere. Palestinians have two choices: A, accept that and work towards a two state solution, or B, keep trying to kill us all.
As long as they keep going with Option B, we will keep protecting ourselves.
Wait, he DID say that? And your position is that it’s really no big deal if only ONE Cabinet member is openly advocating genocide? We shouldn’t judge the whole government based on this one guy? Some of the other Ministers, I’m sure, are very fine people.
Who the fuck called Likud moderates either? Likud aren’t conservative, moderate, or liberal; their only ideology is serving Bibi’s personal interest. Once upon a time, they were the moderately conservative secular option, but that was a long time ago.
Eta: Do you mean the people who came back to work with Likud in the emergency war cabinet? Their condition was literally that people like Smotrich and Ben Gvir be excluded…
Well, I’m glad you realize that, but lots of people and media outlets don’t.
We aren’t going anywhere. Palestinians have two choices: A, accept that and work towards a two state solution, or B, keep trying to kill us all.
As long as they keep going with Option B, we will keep protecting ourselves.
Well, now I’m confused, because it sure seems like what you’re expressing as your opinion in the third paragraph is the same as the opinion you just denied holding in the second paragraph. Perhaps there was a mistranslation?
Just curious; you called me a “paranoid cuckoo nutjob” for that post. Do you agree that the statement is substantially true with regard to America, or I am just suffering from “Trump Derangement Syndrome”?
Nope, I agree that giving Palestinians a sovereign state tomorrow would be a massive disaster resulting in a failed state run by Iran through proxies. It would be an unacceptable threat to the very existence of an Israeli state, and is totally untenable.
That said, I disagree with Netanyahu on what we should do about that. Israel maintaining control of the entire region would be kicking the can down the road, preventing an immediate existential war but not solving the problem. That’s why I favor a third party - ideally a coalition of Arab states, but a force led by Europe or the US would work too - taking over security responsibilities while a Palestinian state is set up.
I don’t know that I’d use the term “fascists”,but I would agree that the moderate right in America has completely fallen apart since 2016. Outside of a handful of NeverTrumpers it basically doesn’t exist anymore, and I can’t think of a single prominent figure pushing conservative policy as opposed to culture war bullshit.
Lots and lots of Palestinians are choosing A, both in the West Bank and in Gaza, and yet they’re still getting brutalized. Putting this on the Palestinians alone is gobsmackingly stupid (not to mention morally wrong). Israelis are not “protecting themselves” in the West Bank by brutalizing Palestinians.
One Israeli minister said it’s the morally right thing to do. All of my news sources say that the current Israeli state is actually doing that right now, along with dropping a lot of bombs on Gaza.
Most Palestinians have no choices, politically speaking. What the fuck is a random woman in Gaza, or hell, in the West Bank, supposed to do?
They do? Because Israel is sending plenty of food and water into Gaza. I thought we gave up on the mass starvation lie a long time ago.
That’s true. That’s why I support the removal of Hamas.
Hamas has no control over the West Bank, and yet Palestinians continue to be brutalized and unjustly evicted there.
And I’ve condemned the settlers easily dozens of times by now. But let’s not pretend that if it wasn’t for the settlers, the Palestinian one state ambition would be diminished. Their refusal to accept a Jewish state in the region long predates the presence of Israelis in the West Bank or Gaza.