Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023

[DrDeth]

@Banquet_Bear

There was absolutely nothing I said, or anything in my link, that was even remotely “pro Hamas.” Not in the slightest.

Nor did I claim there were- in your posts. But there is some, but mostly “pro-people of palestine/gaza”.

@Banquet_Bear

And let’s be clear on this: the “Jewish lobby” and Jewish people are not the same. Which explains why so many Jewish people support pro-Palestinian candidates like Mamdani.

OpenSecrets’ 1990–2006 data shows that “pro-Israel interests have contributed $56.8 million in individual, group and soft money donations to federal candidates and party committees since 1990.” In contrast, Arab-Americans and Muslim PACs contributed slightly less than $800,000 during the same (1990–2006) period.

Israel lobby in the United States - Wikipedia.

@Banquet_Bear

I think it’s very clear that most Jewish people oppose the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. They oppose the extermination of the Palestinian people.

Sure. But most of them support the elimination of Hamas. Yes, many Israelis think Netanyahu has gone too far. But none support Hamas or terrorism.

@Banquet_Bear

This IS the Democrats fault. They let this happen.

How?

@What will happen in Gaza now that Trump won?

what is going on, right now, under the Biden administration.

NONE of that happened under the Biden administration. It happened under the Netanyahu administration, and the Hamas terror attacks. What did you want Biden to do? Send troops to stop the IDF? Never. Cut military aid to Israel? He did- briefly, which is all he could do legally. Congress sets the aid budget. Not the President. Read the Constitution. Biden- working with a GOP congress could not permanently end aid to Israel. This is like saying the Holocaust happened under FDR.

@Banquet_Bear

But we don’t actually know if it would have been a “lesser” evil or not. Rafah was flattened under Biden.

No, Biden had nothing whatsoever to do with that. Yes, he was President, but he did not order, or condone those actions. It is Netanyahu , not Biden, nor the PM or Germany, nor Italy, nor the Uk etc, all of which provided military aid to Israel. Biden sent a lot of aid to Gaza.

@Banquet_Bear

I was explaining how pro-Palestinian views had infiltrated into the MAGAsphere. Thats all.

No- anti JEWISH views. He is a bigot and his followers are anti-zionists.

@puzzlegal

I think a carefully worded opposition to the annexation of Gaza would play very well with American Jews, frankly.

Sure. They want Hamas stopped, they want the hostages back, and a general cessation of terrorism. It is trump and Netanyahu (and their religious right backing) that support such things.