Do I want to become an appraiser?

I worked in an appraisal office years ago (as a secretary) and so I know what it entails. I love the flexibility of the job, but I do not love the fluctuation of the market.

I’ve kind of been offered a job as a appraiser trainee - I need two years of experience before getting certified with the state. I would make $11/hour (a 30% pay cut) for two years with absolutely no benefits. They have filled my head with fantasies of making $60-100k after I’m certified. :cool: That all really depends on the market though. They mentioned that they have been overwhelmed with work for years and foresee having as much as work as they want in the future.

Right now, I have a very boring but cushy job with excellent benefits. I have no real aspirations with this company and mostly clock-watch every day. But, I would have to rely on my s.o. not to leave me in the next two years so that I could continue to pay my mortgage and support my horsies.

So I am agonizing over this decision. I can. not. decide which way to go. I need someone who is smarter than me and who can forsee the future to tell me what I should do. Please!

As you mention, an Appraiser’s incomes can vary from month to month and year to year. Can you handle a swing in compensation of 30% a year? I know that you would have to do a lot of driving and often times you are under pressure to come up with the “right” valuation that the client/bank wants. How about becoming a real estate agent who does appraisals on the side?

I would think that Home Inspector would be more lucrative a profession, if you have the stomach for crawling under someone’s house and looking for leaky sewer connections…

dolphinboy is pretty right on…I was an appraiser for 5 yrs, my Mom and brother still are, it takes a large investment in eqipment, education and TIME. I my state you must apprentace for 2 yrs…at a paultry rate of pay.

there is a GREAT amount of colusion between Brokers and appraisers…don’t “hit” value often enough and the orders dry up. I refused to put homeowners upside down on their homes (even if they knew the game and were willing). There are areas of appraisal that can be lucrative but they take YEARS of specializing to get good at…

Will I appraise again, probabbly but only on a pick and choose basis and in a specialty that does not need the “value” to be “hit”.
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Well, I’ve never been too keen on trying to sell people anything. And there seems to already be about 5 million dirt pushers in this area. I’m also uninterested in home inspections and all the “icky” stuff and liability that goes along with it.

I also know about the driving and “massaging” numbers, neither of which bother me.

Maybe I mislabeled my post. I’m not really wondering if I want to become an appraiser more than anything else in the world. I’m wondering if I should throw away my easy well-paying job and take the risk of making squat for two years in the hopes that it will eventually pay off.

Massaging the numbers SHOULD bother you…it is a FED crime and will get you loss of license, huge fines and possible pen time…so as long as you don’t mind go for it.

BTW if you already have an “easy well-paying job” why the interest…most appraisers i know make between 35k to 60k per year…the top end either honestly work their asses off or will be caught by the feds soon :wink:

again, just my $.02

tsfr

For me, this would be a deal-breaker.

What if you had to have major surgery in those years? Hello, bankruptcy.

Aiyaiyai TSFR, it’s an art, not a science. Settle down, no one said anything about being unethical. As I mentioned, my current job is going nowhere and it’s extremely boring. I want to be able to make my own schedule and stay busy, not sit here from 8 to 5 watching the clock.

LOAP - Good point. There’s a chance that I could be added to my boyfriend’s insurance, then does it seem like a good idea?

I only know about 10 appraisers, but all of them are making well over $35k… maybe it depends on the area of the country?

When my youngest son was trying to make a go of it in Arizona, he signed up and paid for a training program as a first step to becoming an appraiser.

After completing the program, he says he was stuck, because to actually start appraising, he needed to find an appraiser who would apprentice him. He couldn’t. He didn’t know anyone in the area, had no connections. The people who sold him the program didn’t tell him that he’d need to do this extra step, or he wouldn’t have signed up. He was out a few thousand bucks.

This is just what he told me, and he might have fudged a bit so he wouldn’t look like a rube, paying for this program without knowing all the details.

Who’s offering you this potential new career?

It’s a small appraisal company. I would be a trainee for two years before I could get certified. You have to have 2500 hours of appraisal experience over a period of no less than 24 months. I would also take the required 120 hours of class during this time.

And you don’t have to pay for the class? The appraisal company has promised to hire you when your training is finished?

It doesn’t sound like a bad idea, except for the two years with no benefits part.

Samm…

You asked for our opinions…i gave you mine! Don’t ask the question if you don’t wanna hear the answers.

BTW in MY humble opinion it is a fusion between art and science…My opinion is based on 7 yrs WORKING in the field (2 apperentcing and 5 on my own ,certified) and over 25 yrs exposed to the profession as it is my families biz…just sayin.

I would be doing it today if it was as easy as most think it is, fact of the matter is that MOST mortgage brokers don’t want to hear the answer to the questions they ask…“what if the FAIR market value”…

I can rationalize almost anything “on paper”, but as an appraiser you have to be able to defend your 'opinion of Value" in a court of law. Pleasebelieve me there is a shakedown comming of less than ethical appraisers and mortgage brokers.

If booard policy permits please alowmeto provide you with this link…the are my friends and some of the BEST appraisers in the country …they are the ones you should be asking this question to…

Please…check the site out…ask questions…listen…comtemplate…ask more questions and decide for yourself.

and…since when is MATH an art…?

kind regards,

daniel…aka TSFR

sorry…should have proof read… :o sticky space bar and bad spelling :o

tsfr

A few thoughts …

The real estate industry has enjoyed a boom for the last few years. That boom is now winding down, at least on a national scale. Two years from now could easily be a full-blown recession in RE, with few sales, lots of stuff sitting on the market, and lots of recent buyers upside down while watching their ARMs’ rates climbing at each adjustment.

Meanwhile, there’ll be a glut of everything RE related. Too many sales agents, too many brokers, too many broker offices, too many title co’s, too many refi storefronts, too many internet mortgage brokers, too many inspectors, too many fixer-upper handymen. And oh yeah, too many appraisers.

That’s a real lousy time to be trying to break into a new industry.

One of the side effects of a long boom in any industry is that maybe 50-60% of the people in the industry today have NEVER experienced anything else. Boom is their idea of normal. They collectively have no clue what to expect in a non-boom or how hard it can become in a genuine downturn. Their clueless optimism infects every decision they make, including the one to try to add additional appraiser help starting in 2008.

The RE industry is a funny combination of totally local and utterly national.

If you’re in the right area, the hurricane-free sunbelt maybe, then you might be experiencing zero or even mild growth while, say, suburban Philadelpia’s market is dead, dead, dead. Conversely, interest rates are set nationally, or nearly so. People don’t buy a house based on sticker price, rather on monthly payment. They talk about the sticker price, but that’s not what’s really going on.

When fixed-rate mortgages are at 10% a LOT of poeple will suddenly find their maximum affordable monthly payment buys a LOT less house than they’d gotten used to thinking they could buy. We’ve already played most of the games with negative am, longer am+balloon, etc. There’s not too much more room for creative financing to hide the fundamental disconnect between Joe & Jane Average’s income and their desire to live in a $200K house when the underlying commercial cost of capital becomes 7%.
On a more positive note:

2500 hours in 24 months is about 20 hours a week. People have worked two jobs, or done job + school, at that level of effort for 2 years before. Can you do the appraisal thing and also keep your present job, or keep most of it by going to 3/4 time? What about appraisal trainee + some other part-time compatible job? I question your assumption that you must work the trainee job exclusively with no other income.
As to benefits, bosh. You can buy insurance about as readily as the small company you work for now. The only challenge is in understanding the true size of your current wage. If you’re now making $30K/yr + medical, it’s really just the same as $36K/yr + no medical. So $36K is the number you compare to any no-benefit job.

Does the appraisal company you’d be working for offer bennies after you’ve finished apprenticeship? If not, don’t forget to include that difference in your calculations.

A huge thank you to you guys. I will definitely sign up for that forum and glean as much as possible. Thank you Daniel.

and this…

I talked to the owner of the company today and this is what I proposed. I’m not sure why I was so intent on looking at it as an either/or problem, but I’m so glad I posted the question to the board.