Or do they score about the same, on average? Is there some easily accessable place (i.e. on the web) with IQ test statistics?
Just check the I.Q.'s of the females and the males on the Straight Dope board.
Here’s a hint-How many really stupid postings by females have you seen lately?
My IQ is 186. I’m a man. Can any of you ladies beat that?
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::Handing the women a large stick::
Isn’t Marilyn Vos Savant the person with the highest known IQ (247 or something)? Of course, Cecil trashed her several times, and he’s known to be the world’s smartest human being, so his IQ must be higher. I just don’t think the exact number has ever been computed. I guess it would exceed the scale.
Ooops, I forgot to relate my statement to the OP: Yes, men score higher.
a) A man (Cecil) holds the absolute record.
b) No matter how dumb the rest of us men may be, our average is higher thanks to Cecil alone.
TheIncredibleHolg, thanks for answering the question, do you have a reference? Hopefully, something web based? My web searches turned up jack-squat.
Men should be smarter because they have a larger brain size. However, women know how to make more of what they have.
Shucks, how would you even measure it? Don’t men write the blasted IQ tests themselves so they are biased so men score higher?
IIRC from my psych books, women tend to score better on standardized written tests and get better grades in school.
Here’s the best I could do for a cite online:
Women’s superiority in language abilities may explain the difference in scores; most tests given are written.
“Eppur, si muove!” - Galileo Galilei
here’s a slightly better quote, although (sigh) it does not say what study it got it’s info from.
James TOOLEY, 1995, Times Higher Educational Supplement, 7 vii.
This one at least sounds like it knows what it’s talking about:
racism, Intellegence, and the working class.
H’m, perhaps I was wrong that women tend to score better on IQ test, although I am still pretty sure that they score better on standardized achievement tests. Man, it’s a bear trying to find stats on this on the web.
“Eppur, si muove!” - Galileo Galilei
Gaudere, you did a hell of lot better than I did (finding stats), thanks.
In NH, the tests used to study the ability of students showed that the avergae for boys and girls was almost equal but that the boys had a wider range of scores than the girls.
Revtim, I found the cover text of one of Marilyn’s books. It states that her IQ is actually 228, so I was a bit off. This may not be quite authoritative, but it’s from the horse’s mouth, so to speak:
BTW, there are so many web pages making fun of Marilyn and her goofs! I’m definitely not a feminist, but I do wonder if that would happen to a man?
I’ve also collected the links to Cecil’s columns dealing with Marilyn. I’ve marked them as trashed (T), acquitted (A), and draw (D):
So maybe she’s not all that bad. Who else would achieve 50% when arguing with Cecil?
Maybe Marilyn is a man.
Come on,you really don’t think that a person born would be called ‘Savant,’ do ya?
According to this, it’s her mother’s maiden name. I had thought it was her husband’s name. So it means smart-ass vixen in Dutch or Walloon or something?
I took the hyperlink TheIncredibleHolg gave…cut the knot something or other. I looked at her examples of common statements she proves wrong in her book.
It seems to me that those points are pretty easily shown to be incorrect by any cynic with some common sense.
However, I couldn’t figure out, logically, how the statement “…top 1 percent of people received 60% of economic growth in the last 12 years” is incorrect.
Anybody wanna help me out?
I suppose a more important question is: If this lady is the smartest person in the world, why doesn’t she learn chemistry and find a vaccine for cancer or AIDS or do something important instead of sitting around answering stupid questions from stupid people?
Then again, the same could be asked of Cecil…
Well, it does even in English - kind of:
Main Entry: sa·vant
Pronunciation: sa-'vänt, s&-, -'vän; s&-'vant, 'sa-v&nt
Etymology: French, from Middle French, from present participle of savoir to know, from Latin sapere to be wise – more at SAGE
1 : a person of learning; especially : one with detailed knowledge in some specialized field (as of science or literature)
2 : IDIOT SAVANT 1
Main Entry: idiot sa·vant
Pronunciation: 'E-"dyO-sä-'vän, or same as IDIOT and savant for respective singular and plural forms
Inflected Form(s): plural idiots savants /-"dyO-sä-'vän(z)/; or idiot savants /-'vän(z)/
Etymology: French, literally, learned idiot
1 : a mentally defective person who exhibits exceptional skill or brilliance in some limited field
2 : a person who is highly knowledgeable about one subject but knows little about anything else
I know I am not alone when I write that I would prefer to have Cecil at my dinner table any night of the week rather than suffer five minutes trapped in an elevator with very dull, Ms. Savant.
Am I the only one who doesn’t believe for a second that Marilyn’s IQ is 228? And no, not because she is a woman. I’ve never heard of anyones’ IQ being that high. For contrast, does anyone know what Einstein’s IQ was or how about Stephan Hawking’s?
Methinks if Marilyn’s IQ is 228, she probably wrote her own IQ test.
Hey People, may I ask you something?
- Why do you think IQ is relevant (important, interesting, revealing)?
- Does it really matter who’s (men or women) IQ is higher?
- Shouldn’t you (in that case) include gay and lesbians’ IQs?
- Do you even happen to know how and why did the IQ tests were invented (devised, developed)?
Men will cease to commit atrocities only when they cease to believe absurdities.