This doesn’s strike you as Walker being a tad attention whorish Sage Rat? Additionally I see no difference between …
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I mean that is the same arguement teenagers use all the time, and you know what it almost always is because they are attention whorish in some way. Maybe they just want attention from other like-minded individuals, or perhaps its because they want others to notice the statement they are trying to make. Either way you can’t say its because they don’t give a fuck what people think because it’s obvious they care what someone thinks. I’m not saying there’s anything one with dressing outside of the status quo, but don’t pretend like your reasons are somehow more noble than someone elses because they just think they “don’t give a fuck” whereas you truly “don’t give a fuck”. Give me a break.
Open-mindedness, diversity, and tolerance to all except those punk ass frat boys right? I mean they all are named Chad and have spiked hair so they don’t deserve any respect or tolerance. If you are ready for the high school mindset to be over it would behoove you to do your part in not thinking like a 15 year old.
Argent Towers, there’s nothing wrong with dressing appropriately for the occasion. If I wore a ballgown to a baseball game, I’d expect to get some looks and comments. Walker’s outfit may have been perfectly appropriate for the crowd he’s used to hanging out with, but it’s not what one typically wears to a frat party. Why on earth would you guys surprised that it was commented on?
Well, I’m not surprised at all by the way the people at the party reacted to it. I was expecting it completely. The real surprise to me was the fact that he showed up at all, something I would never have expected.
Don’t forget that my post was written about three hours after the incident in question occurred, so it was a little more emotional than it would be if I were writing it now.
Is Walker an attention whore? Yes and no. He has real passion about the clothes he wears and he doesn’t only wear them in public, so there is more than just trying to get people to look at him. But he is definitely doing it in part so that he will get noticed. I admire his dedication to it - but it is a shtick. No denying it.
I don’t think I explained the context of the “Sausage Fest” comment. Let me do that. Me, Walker, Joey, and four other friends were sitting in a circle in the living room, cut off from the rest of the party. We were having our own conversation, seperate from everyone else - the rest of the party was out milling about in the rest of the house, our group was sitting in the living room.
He was not talking about the whole party when he said sausage fest. He was talking about “our group.” This is definitely what he meant. I had not had any alcohol at this party, I planned to drive home in an hour. The short guy had walked into the middle of our discussion, interrupted it, and made fun of Walker’s outfit (yes, he was making fun of it, his tone of voice and choice of words make this clear to me. Saying “I don’t mean to make fun” in this situation was like saying “I’m not a racist, BUT-”) Then, after doing this, he called our group a sausage fest. NOT the whole party. Our group.
This is why Joey took issue with it. His physical reaction was still un-called for. But he wouldn’t have done that if the guy had said, “man, this party is a sausage fest.” He was specifically referring to our small group of people sitting in the living room, none of whom he knew.
Why would anyone in your group of all guys take offense to being called a sausage-fest within the party? You WERE!
And your friend would wear his costumes more gracefully if he just pretended he didn’t hear the offending words instead of taking getting pissed off at someone’s rude behavior in pointing out the obvious.
It was Walker who was wearing the outfit - Joey is the one who confronted the short guy. Walker is a very nonconfrontational and easygoing guy who takes everything in stride. Walker never would have reacted the way that Joey did.
Look, you guys are justifiably against Joey’s behavior and surprised that the sausage fest comment would elicit the reaction it did. But you did not hear his tone of voice and see his body language, something that I did hear and see. His tone of voice was most definitely rude, accusing, and abrasive. The look in his face was completely confrontational. It was the way he said it that mattered.
How can you be confrontational by saying “you’re a group of guys” when in fact you WERE a group of guys? Was he accusing you of being a group of(horrors!) GAY guys?
He was saying that there was something wrong with our group, in a cocky, rude, “I’m going to see how far I can push it because I’m looking for a fight” tone of voice. This guy was looking for a fight. Later on at the party, someone who knew him told me that the short guy “should be avoided” and that “he’s not all there.”
The guy was being an asshole and trying to provoke a response.
I understand that they are your friends and you’re going to band with them. However, I highly doubt someone that is 5 ft. 4 on a good day is going to go into a room full of six friends and be blatantly looking to do the man dance. This holds especially true if your friends are as large and intimidating as you state. It could have happened, Hell I’ve been on both sides of the coin in situations like this, but if he promptly backed away chances are he was not looking for a fight.
I can see being a little riled by the sausage fest comment now that you have put it in context, but your friend elevated the situation. I have heard statements like that all the time at parties, and rarely has it been made in a truly insulting way.
Consider the possibility that your friend may have overreacted due to alcohol. Now this is all purely hypothetical, and like you said you were there I wasn’t but maybe what he thought happened was: He went back there to make small talk and meet people (I know it’s shocking a fratboy lemming attempting to converse with others), and the first subject to come to mind was your friend’s clothes. In fact, I would wager to say that part of the reason your friend wears them is it’s a good ice breaker. He has the good sense to preface his statement with the disclaimer that he is not trying to be offensive, knowing that your friend probably has to put up with questions and comments all the time about his outfits, and inquires as to why your friend is dressed like that. To me it seems like a good conversation starter, and besides I’d be genuinely curious too and wonder what your bud’s angle was. After your friend tells him the reasoning for the clothes, the guy even says that it his right to wear whatever he wants but it strikes him as being weird (which truthfully it is, doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing). Then afterwards he says it’s a sausage fest in that group, which it was, perhaps in an attempt to suggest you guys are welcome to come back to the main group. He is then promptly physically intimidated by a guy that is more than a foot taller than him. He realizes that either these guys are in no mood for conversation or they are looking for a fight, and since he just was looking to have some fun at a party he exits to let you guys be. If he wanted confrontation it was gift wrapped and presented at his door step right there and he chose to leave, which shows that someone in that room was scrappin’ but chances are it wasn’t him.
I mean that’s a possibile scenario based off the story you have told us, which is most likely sugarcoated somewhat in you and your friend’s favor. I would also like to stress again that you guys are lucky that you came out of that party unscathed.
Argent Towers seems to have an extremely characteristic that he shares, so far as I am aware, only with my grandmother: whenever he recounts an indignity suffered at the hands of someone else, I find myself sympathizing wholly with the antagonist.
I am not “lucky to be unscathed” because I had no part in this confrontation whatsoever. It was between Joey and shorty. Walker wasn’t even really part of it.
From what I later gathered, from people who knew him, shorty was an unstable, aggressive outcast with a Napoleon complex who liked to fuck with people. The rest of the guests at the party would not have rallied to defend him.
It’s not loathing - I love my grandmother very much, and she makes me feel the same way. It’s just that I have a really hard time empathizing with your posts. You (and she) seem to take a lot of offense at things that seem to me to be awfully trivial, and I can’t ever figure out why you’re so worked up about it.
It’s certainly not based solely on this thread - your name is one of the few here that actually registers with me (although part of that is because of your recent motorcycle purchase rather than this kind of thread). I’ll try to find another example of it, though.
I’ve seen people get hurt bad for nothing more than being associated with someone else, and sometimes less than that . Not saying it happens all the time, but when you combine large groups of people with alcohol, and add in some combustible element like perhaps a group that stands out already and then does their part to distance themselves from the main party while simultaneously showing their disdain for the core group… well let’s just say things could have gotten ugly. I am glad that it didn’t I’m just trying to advise you on how quickly shit can get out of hand especially when alcohol is invloved.
Alright, I can see your point. All I can say in response is that something that may sound trivial when it’s being described to you may not have seemed trivial to the person who it happened to. Little things can carry a lot of weight in different situations.
So, I’m not offended by what you said. I’m sorry if I seem like I’m making a big deal over nothing sometimes.