Yeah… “Torah” is pretty much always used to refer to the Tanakh as a whole rather than just the Pentateuch, at least in casual English.
That’s your privilege as a member of the majority. People who aren’t Christian don’t really have that option.
It is a symbol to rally around. It is a statement that says “Never let it be forgotten that my religion is more important than your personal beliefs”.
I’m not a majority of anything. I promise.
Do not identify as Christian.
Not a member of any group.
It’s just me.
My thoughts don’t amount to a hill of beans.
Y’all don’t need to get all worked up about it.
If any religion gains control of this country, being an “innocent bystander” that did nothing to hinder such a thing will not be enough to satisfy them. Gods (and their followers) tend not to compromise once in power.
I’ll be dead anyway
Can y’all get worked up about the price of my insulin and stop focusing on crap that don’t really change anything? Please. It just went up again.
If these idiots take over I’ll die in weeks if I can’t get the right insulin I need.
But, hey. Worry about a lit up cross. A satanic whatsyamacallit. Or some yahoo with a red hat on. They mean so little.
March for health care for goodness sake.
I think I am capable of caring about more than one thing at a time.
There is so much irony here I don’t even know where to start.
A cross on a light pole is exactly as religious as a statue of Satan.
So is the statue of Satan or Baphomet or Tiamat or Orcus or whoever.
A fish cannot tell that it swims in water.
It probably helps. The Catholics can say “well, at least he isn’t Protestant” and the Protestants can say “well, at least he isn’t Catholic”.
Individual expressions of religious sentiment displayed on the property of the cemetery corporation. Not a government-funded display on public property.
Religious symbols on places of worship owned by religious organizations. Not a government-funded display on public property.
All commercial merchandise purchased from some business entity (or maybe in some cases homemade) and displayed by individuals in their capacity as private citizens. Not a government-funded display on public property.
Individual public expression of personal religious sentiment (which is legal) by vandalizing the public or private property of others (which is not legal). Not a government-funded display on public property.
Commercial merchandise purchased from some business entity (or maybe in some cases homemade) and displayed by individuals in their capacity as private citizens. Not a government-funded display on public property.
The point you’re missing is that people who object to seeing a Christian cross as part of a government-funded display on public property aren’t objecting because they just can’t stand to look at crosses. They’re objecting because that shit violates constitutional principles.
The secular US government has no business officially promoting the symbols of any religion, especially not on public property with taxpayer money. If the government chooses to let some religious proponents promote the symbols of their religion on public property, then it has to let proponents of other religions promote their symbols as well. Otherwise it’s violating the important principle of religious neutrality in government.
That’s the point that the Satanists are making when they insist on adding statues of Baphomet to government-funded displays of crosses on public property.
Haven’t you noticed that to a great extent it’s the yahoos with the red (MAGA) hats on that are enabling the idiots who want to take over and exploit privatized health care even more than it already is, thereby increasing the suffering and difficulty for you and millions of other ordinary Americans?
It’s not a bunch of separate unrelated issues, some of which matter while others don’t. It’s a clash of entire political philosophies. Pushing back against part of the undemocratic tyrannical bullshit is pushing back against all of it.
I get it that for you personally right now, it’s hard to think that anything matters except your medication costs, and I’m sorry that that situation is being such a hassle for you. But the way forward for the country as a whole is not to tell us that we shouldn’t care about other important freedoms as well.
Belittling issues that are important to other people is a terrible way to get them to care about issues that are important to you.
But you can tell me what to care about? You can make me want to fight that crosses, symbols, flags, logos shouldn’t be seen.
Isn’t that freedom of speech, after all?
I do not care about religion, or religious symbols or any other one. Because, well I just don’t give a crap while I slowly die here.
I’m sorry if it burns your eyes so horribly when you see a cross on a church (or someones jeans) that you have to shut your eyes and scream curses as you pass by. I understand the difference in government sanctioning Christianity symbols or commercial places doing it. I was just saying they are everywhere. The cross symbol has been around for much time. I don’t think you can erase it like civil war iconography.
Drive by my pharmacy and see the old people counting pennies to get enough meds for 10 days. Drive by my hospital and scream at the unattended poor. Drive by the billing office and scream quit over charging people.
If satanic groups cared they’d quit making big statements about whatchamacallit statues and putting them somewhere to get in the news and maybe go work in a soup kitchen. Better time spent. No one will care if they wear their shirt with some emblem on it.
If rebel flag waving Maga hats would shut their mouths and help people the world could be better. Better for them, better for us.
Like it or not churches help people. (Yes I know there are problems with some) But for the most part they work for and in the community they’re in.
I don’t subscribe to any religion or beliefs. It’s not logical to me to believe in something so seemingly magical and hard to grab on to.
That’s not to say I don’t hope there’s an afterlife. Jeez, I hope this isn’t all there is. I would like that place to be pleasant. Who wouldn’t?
Can we maybe look at the bigger picture?
I’m not trying to talk anyone out of their beliefs or what they’re willing to fight for. Or what amendment they find important.
But remember when you get old, you get sick. All of us.
If you’re lucky that’s the only time in your life you’ll need good healthcare and medication and the ability to afford it.
If you’re like me and spent your whole life (My youngish life, I won’t get very old) and much money in the care of doctors and requiring insulin everyday of these years you’d have different priorities.
Wear your Barbie t-shirt in a flag bikini. I care not. Even tho’ it’s sexist and not licensed. Wear your MAGA hat. I can ignore it. Fly your stupid rebel flag on your truck. I’m southern and I don’t feel a bit nostalgic about it. Carry a cross and wear a hair shirt. You the one gonna itch.
Look at the healthcare news just today. Remember the pandemic. Eldercare crisis. It’s a bigger problem than satanic statues.
Their branding does lack. They need to work on it.
Exactly.
It’s a two way street.
NOBODY here is saying this. This is a total misrepresentation of what is being said in this thread.
never mind.
Who here is belittling your issues? Saying that there are issues other than the ones you care about does not belittle your issues.
Crossses are OK, but anytime I’m splashed with holy water, it leaves weird scars that look like sixes. I wonder if I should go see a doctor or something.
My excuse for not going inside a church is that the last time I did, something horrible happened. I was married in a church
Zing!
My B-I-L is a pastor, so I go from time to time. The crosses never seem to burn my eyes, but that doesn’t stop me from thinking that nativity scenes and ten commandment monuments don’t belong on public property. I also think that insulin should be cheap or free.
Look at me, juggling several thoughts at the same time! Someday, I’ll be able to walk and chew gum, all at once!