Do Serial Killers ever just stop?

Ed Kemper stopped, because he was a decent man in spite of being a serial killer.

His last two victims were people who had wronged him during his life. The same might have been true of his first two victims. But the main thing is that Kemper stopped himself.

This has to be a wind up. He killed his grandparents when he was 15. He killed 8 more people before he left (including his mother) and was running when caught by police.

Hardly stopped.

Story.

OK, two grandparents, six strangers, his mom and his mom’s friend and he turned himself in and has allowed himself to become a test subject in many studies.

I think Kemper is as moral as a serial killer can be. Four of his victims were family members who had wronged him and after killing six random strangers he killed two more and turned himself in. Kemper is as good as serial killers get.

I think that’s a bizarre view of things. Sociopaths blame others irrationally for their problems, and just because Kemper felt his grandparents and mother “wronged him” doesn’t mean they did, or that his actions were justified. (And I’m not sure the facts even support the idea that his mother or grandparents did anything to him).

Kemper’s necrophilia and cannibalism suggests extreme psychosis. He described himself as a “hunter” in prison interviews. He described the thrill he got from mutilating his victims.

And he stopped himself, but mostly because he was disappointed that his crimes had not attracted the notoriety he felt he deserved. In this sense, he’s similar to Dennis Rader.

Serial killers display a fairly linear progression in terms of “skill”- that is, killers like JTR, who stab their victims, become a lot better at it as they go on. However, the five known victims were all killed in pretty much the same fashion, so he had probably killed others before them.

(Guys, listen, I think Kemper has internet access from the prison.)

I can’t argue with that assessment. Ed Kemper is a decent man. Well, alright, there may be some merit in postulating that it edges a bit toward the outer boundary of proper decorum to have oral sex with the severed head of one’s mother, then using it as a dartboard, but all things considered, really not a bad bloke at all.

Don’t be a playa hata

What about Ed Gein? (the inspiration for Hannibal Lector).
Did he quit killing and flaying his victims? Or did he only stop when caught?

Gein was caught a few days after taking his last victim from a hardware store, so the latter.

Ed Gein was the inspiration for Buffalo Bill from The Silence of the Lambs, not Lecter. And he only stopped when caught.

Who was the inspiration for Lecter?
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Complicated, but inspirations seem to include Pietro Pacciani, William Coyne, Albert Fish, and Andrei Chikatilo.

Lecter is of course in Florence in* Hannibal.*
I read an interview where Hopkins said he merely read the script and had Lecter down. :slight_smile:
Brian Cox wasn’t bad in the role, either.

OK, now it’s totally easy to see how Hopkins used HAL 9000 as the inspiration for Lecter’s speech patterns. It seems really obvious now.

I was not trying to say that Kemper was justified in killing his grandparents and mother and his mother’s friend. I was just trying to say there was something different about Kemper that his first and last victims were his abusers. He killed six other victims almost at random. Kemper is one fucked up dude.

I just meant to way that Kemper is more moral than most serial killers because he had real beef with four of his victims and turned himself in after a break from killing unconnected victims and killing two of his abusers. Kemper has been a model prisoner and has gladly participated in studies of serial killers.

As for your ideas that that Kemper was not that badly abused, I can tell you with certainty that the kind of social isolation he experienced is debilitating. I experienced the same thing. Imagine the emptiest, deepest, darkest hole where everything you remember that was good about your childhood is GONE. I have the same empty hole Kemper had, and for similar reasons. He had a brain that could switch to serial killer mode and I don’t. But at least Kemper had the guts to call a stop to what he was doing.

I can’t follow your reasoning. There seems no evidence that Kempers’ grandparents ever abused him. There is no evidence that his mothers friend abused him.

He didn’t stop. He was fleeing the scene when news of the murders broke and he then rang police to say where he was. That is hardly stopping.

I believe the idea that he stopped himself is that he called the police on himself.

Whether you believe the stories of Kemper’s abuse or not, you should surely recognize that Kemper turned himself in and has been a model prisoner.

I happen to believe Kemper’s stories. You cannot imagine the pain of social isolation. You cannot imagine the pain of never having a childhood friend. You cannot imagine the pain of not being able to go to a public restroom by yourself when you were thirteen at a museum and not being able to pee because you were so angry your dad was watching you. You cannot imagine that two hours later you really did need to pee and you were now at a restaurant, but dared not risk it. You can’t imagine how you had to train your bladder to stretch. You can’t imagine how you 16 yp brother had been locked at home, and would never dare excuse himself to use a public restroom. You can’t imagine the pain. You can’t imagine never riding your bike, you can’t imagine never liking a girl because you could never hope to see her. You can’t imagine not being allowed to walk to the mail box because (whatever) would get you. You can’t imagine the emptiness, the complete absence of your entire life before they somehow sent you to college at 18. You can’t imagine how hard college was, having only the emotional maturity and experiences of a 4 year old. You can’t imagine how hard it is to wall yourself off so you never have to go back home.

I am Kemper without the serial killer switch. He had it, I don’t. I am glad he turned himself in.

The fact that he’s 7 feet tall would make it pretty hard for him to evade police, I’d say. Turning himself in would just have been common sense, at that point.