Do Trump followers and Republicans think the country would survive his reelection?

If they would have anything to say why they support Trump that wasn’t just parroting his BS, I would listen.

And this vision is? Equality? I suspect that is what they are afraid of. But Trump certainly does not act like an equal. He acts like a king. Do they want a king? I suspect they do. Thinking is kinda hard.

He speaks hatred. He gives rich people a break. And again, he just lies for his own glorification. he could not care less about the regular person that has to work for a living. Full Stop.

Trump wouldn’t drop a glass of water on you if you where on fire. Trump and the GOP are the ones that are looking down on people that struggle. Democrats, Moderates, Liberals try to help the down trodden. Trump gets them thrown in prison.

And what party is trying to make wealth inequality grow? Hmmm? Who is advancing bigotry and lack of social trust? One party cares about that. It’s not the GOP.

I replied to your request that I provide examples of Democratic actions with which rational intelligent persons might take offense.

Read beyond the first word; I did offer an alternative explanation.

The data tells us that the biggest indicator as to whether someone supports Trump or not is Google searches for racial slurs.

This shouldn’t be a surprise – Trump rose to prominence in the Republican party because he spread the racist birther theory more than anyone else.

This shit is old. They have been polled and studied ad infinitum at this point.

Further, I am not actually talking about people voting for trump in 2020. I am talking about people who support Trump now after he has denied the election and fomented an insurrection. Before that, Trump was a horrible, divisive president who was impeached for a very good reason and absolutely should never be elected again; after, he was an undeniable traitor and criminal who committed crimes in plain view as president.

Had Trump not committed those crimes after the election, he would be a shoo-in to win in 2024, and there would be at least plausible arguments against what we Dems would say against him. Now, there aren’t. He is going to lose, go to prison, and probably both, and the L on his forehead is blazingly bright.

They should because it’s now black-and-white how traitorous and evil the man is. He is beyond any defense or excuse.

Republicans have had nothing to offer anyone in the country since the year 2000, arguably since 1992, so the point is irrelevant. It’s totally understandable that people are frustrated; that it has been such frustration that has led them to support idiots (Dubya) and fascists (Trump) is not really much of a defense.

It is a canard because we don’t actually have a real right-of-center party in the US any more. We haven’t since 2015, arguably earlier. We have one party that, despite its flaws, is trying to play adult in the room and govern, and we have another that has embraced fascism, conspiracy theories, obstruction, demagoguery, and rage-stoking.

Who gives a shit? Even if there was only one* Black woman qualified to serve on the Court and Biden zeroed in on and chose her for the sake of inclusion and fairness while passing over thousands of “more qualified” white dudes, I have zero problem with that. Further, Jackson is fully intellectually and morally qualified to serve, unlike two of Trump’s picks (I don’t have a huge problem with Gorsuch).

*I’m sure the actual pool was quite large, which makes your argument even weaker.

Yup. It’s pretty much that simple.

Exactly zero Republicans pursue policies consistent with that. That’s a Democratic position. The actual rules for the vast majority of immigrants are “You’re not allowed to. There’s no line to wait in, and no place to apply for permission. Keep out.”. While at the same time, there are many, many business owners, most of them Republicans, who are eager to hire illegal immigrants, because they can get away with violating labor laws for them. The Republican position on immigration is “Lots of it, please, so long as it’s not legal”.

But you haven’t shown that the reasons you listed for objecting to Democratic policies are the reasons Republicans in general object to them. You gave an example of thinking that immigrants should follow the laws to enter the country, which is reasonable, but overlook the fact that immigrants who did come here legally, and are following the laws, are regularly targeted by Republicans. For example, the people Greg Abbot bussed to Martha’s Vineyard? They weren’t here illegally. They followed the laws, they did what they were supposed to do, and they still got lied to, manipulated, and vilified by Republicans.

Yes, it’s fucking twisted. And they want them to remain undocumented because that leaves them in a more vulnerable and pliable position. The GOP stands for nothing more than hypocrisy and exploitation.

I was asked to list an example of a Democrat’s action that rational intelligent people might disagree with. I respect that you believe choosing a person based on their gender or race as the first qualifier is ok. Others prefer choosing on the basis of merit first. And that’s a perfectly acceptable point of view as well.

As of February, 2022, just 70 of the 3,843 people who EVER served as federal judges - fewer than 2% - have been Black women. While that may argue in favor of promoting one, it doesn’t negate the fact that the pool was drastically limited by the exclusion of everyone who wasn’t a black woman.

SCOTUS justices don’t have to be federal judges. Plenty came from other backgrounds.

We disagree on this.

We are in agreement on this.

Thank you for clarifying that. It doesn’t however negate the fact that the talent pool was drastically limited by the exclusion of everyone who wasn’t a black woman.

The talent pool was limited by the difficulties other races have to get a good education. That’s slowly being rectified.

I think it goes without saying that people could disagree with Democrats on a wide range of issues, including other Democrats.

It’s a bit of a red herring in this thread, but that’s not entirely your fault. That said, your actual argument about this issue is wrong.

Inclusion isn’t about making gender and race the “first qualifier.” It’s about making sure that every segment of our multifaceted society is able to participate in the important roles and institutions of society while preventing one group from dominating them.

Thus, IMO and the opinion of most Liberals, the SC should never consist only of white people or only men.

You seem to think that this fact, if we suppose it to be a fact, resulted in some sort of injustice. I disagree with that, since it would be unacceptable for the court to consist only of white men or only men or a figure approaching that.

No. I do not.

Many Republicans consider it demonizing. Do try to keep up.

Not could be. It IS flawed. I provided multiple cites, including Ronald Reagan’s own words.

It’s not a defense, it’s a statement - if it was OK for Reagan to do it then it’s OK for Biden to do it. On the reverse - if it’s not OK for Biden to do it then Reagan was wrong to do it. Anything else is rank hypocrisy. Anything else is a double standard.

Nothing, nothing pisses off a conservative more than the idea that a non white Christian male is getting something they don’t “deserve”.

They’ll burn this country to the ground to stop it from happening.

I don’t think Republicans revere Reagan like they did in the 1990s. They sure as hell wouldn’t back Reagan’s actions regarding what we used to call illegal immigrants. The Republican party of 2024 is very, very different from the GOP in 1994.

I’m in the same boat only I’m a few years younger and probably not as handsome. In 2016 I took a look at Trump and thought he’d make a poor president. I never would have thought I’d vote for Hillary Clinton, but like Dave Barry said, I thought she’d be wrong about a lot of things but wrong within normal parameters. I had no idea just how bad a Trump presidency would get. I held onto hope that the Republicans would abandon Trump, and my hopes were high following January 6th, but when craven leaders of the GOP went back to kissing Trump’s ass I decided to abandon the party outright.

That was P.J. O’Rourke.

We don’t know if he did that. But further, that can always be an excuse to avoid promoting a certain category. The only way to ensure real representation is to make the positive choice to promote real representation.