Do we have a thread for SlackerInc yet? Maybe we should

Nope, in reality one needs both, but clearly your opinion here is not what one should use as a rule, as this professor of leadership and entrepreneurship at NYU points out:

The world is full of losers who think that their junior high science fair trophy is a substitute for expertise and hard work. One of my goals as a teacher is to prevent my gifted students from joining their ranks. I’m sorry you didn’t have a teacher who did the same for you.

I was way too lazy to win any science fair trophies. :stuck_out_tongue:

ETA: I did however set my elementary school’s record for the longest ever Frisbee toss on fifth grade field day. It was weird, as I didn’t even play a lot of Frisbee and I wasn’t the biggest or strongest in the class. But my toss was almost twice as far as anyone else. Just got in a good one, I guess. :smiley:

Doesn’t quite apply to Slacker, though. That professor didn’t even consider whether you’d hire the dumbass who’s never fixed a sink before, but who’s convinced himself he’s so smart that he knows better than real plumbers what should be done; he won’t do it himself, he’ll just complain about how nobody else is doing it the way he would do it if he would do it.

The world is even fuller of losers whose only trophies are those they’ve granted themselves.

Yes, plumbing is just like national education policy. :rolleyes:

The Dunning-Kruger motto.

No: plumbing is much simpler and easier to understand without direct experience.

I wonder if you actually believe that.

Isn’t Atlanta mostly black already? The city, I mean, not the metro area.

Are you asking me if I believe that home plumbing is simpler than national public education policy? Why, yes, I do believe that.

What happened to the other part about being easier to understand without direct experience?

I had to ask whether this was a trick question. Do I think that plumbing a home is easier to understand without direct experience than national education policy? Are you fucking kidding me?

With no disrespect to plumbers and the inherent difficulties of their jobs, come the fuck on.

You can get how-to books on plumbing that will tell you exactly what to do. Education policy is a tougher nut to crack.

He may have phrased his question poorly. Perhaps he meant, “Which are there more of: dumbasses who think they can give advice on plumbing without ever lifting a wrench, or dumbasses who think they’re experts on national education without ever running a classroom?”

If that’s what he meant, there are totally more of the latter kind of dumbass, and I’ll concede the point.

Let’s say you are building a brand new school. You need someone to install the plumbing, and someone to be the school’s principal. For one job, you are allowed to hire someone who is highly experienced at this specific job, but for the other you must use someone who is highly intelligent but does not have specific experience at the job. It’s up to you as to which will be which. If you choose the intelligent non-plumber to do the plumbing, you are making a serious mistake.

Oh for fuck’s sake. Do you know what “home” means in “home plumbing”? Do you know what “national” means in “national education policy”?

I forget how stupid you have to be to continue to believe you’ve got anything to contribute.

So now you want to wiggle out of it by comparing a really big job to a small one. OK, but that really doesn’t have anything to do with my point that plumbing is a questionable analogue to administering education policy. You have lost the plot in a desperate attempt to justify your weak thesis.

Well, since the building plans presumably include fairly detailed plans for the plumbing, I’d be OK, if not entirely comfortable, with a smart guy whose work will be inspected before the building is completed.

I don’t care how smart the guy is, if he has never installed plumbing before it’s simply not going to work. That’s a job for a specialist. A white collar job like education policy is perfectly suitable for a high IQ generalist.

No, dummy, that was the analogy from the very beginning. It’s not “wiggling out” to point out what we’ve been discussing.

I get that it’s super important to you to find some inflection point at which a plumbing job is more complicated than education. Your ego is all tied up in being a winner at this. And sure, such a level exists. But the idea that education policy at a given level is simpler than plumbing at the same level is exactly the sort of insane bullshit that someone who’s never been responsible for educating kids would think. It’s what gets us Education Secretary Betsy DeVos.