Do you consider the 1996 movie 'The Rock' to be a James Bond movie

I do, I mark it in my James Bond collection on my media server. I feel its a different timeline where James Bond is captured and imprisoned. I consider it to be an unofficial James Bond film.

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If you subscribe to the theory that “James Bond” is the codename for the holder of the OO7 position, then why wouldn’t it be? Guess Felix couldn’t help his old buddy out.

I consider it something of a “What if?” sequence that takes place in the James Bond universe, yes. The same way I look at the (first) “XXX”/Xander Cage movie.

It’s more amusing that way, though both are obviously very aware of the Bond tropes and play them in quite different ways.

There is certainly a lot of fan theories out there about it - several threads on Reddit alone. I think the consensus out there is that it’s not.

However, it is fun to speculate. Watching the movie with that in mind adds a bit to it. I love that movie, BTW, I’ve seen it several times.

"But how, in the name of Zeus’ BUTTHOLE!.. did you get out of your cell? I only ask because in our current situation, well, it could prove to be useful information."

It’s not a James Bond movie; The Rock is an Highlander movie. Juan Sánchez-Villalobos Ramírez actually survived his encounter with the Kurgen but retired from “The Gathering”, and devoted his life to trying to protect the lives of the ephemeral mortals around him, eventually became an SAS operator and MI6 agent using the convince accent he picked up while in Scotland. This is why he knows the Greek phrase “Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes,” and is why he is so heedless about his own safety when when escaping from the Fairmont and the high speed chase through San Francisco and in dealing with Hummel and his Marines; he knows that he cannot die.

This theory, of course, ignores all Highlander sequels, and especially the events of Highlander 2: The Quickening, so if are really fond of that movie…I’m sorry for you?

Stranger

This is extremely absurd. How did Juan Sánchez-Villalobos Ramírez reattach his head after being decapitated by the Kurgen? Did he bring a bottle of magic head re-attaching superglue from the planet Zeist with him? Very unlikely.

What probably happened is John Patrick Mason, after escaping from Alcatraz, decided to lay low by living as a hermit in the Bronx until he could find an underprivileged high school student and let him know that, yes, he is the man now dog.

If there aren’t silhouettes of nude or provocatively clad women in the title sequence, I vote “no”.

/end thread.

We only see Ramírez‘s death from a distance, improbably perched on the remains of a stone staircase despite the fact that all of the supporting wall structure of the keep had been somehow destroyed in the sword battle. I think it is quite clear that Ramírez, a chief metallurgist to King Charles V and presumably familiar with herbalism and alchemy, baited his blade with hallucinogenic compounds and used his well-developed powers of suggestion along with an effigy with a large cabbage for a head to stand in for his body to convince the Kurgen that he’d died so as to retire from “The Game”. Ramírez lived a quiet life only occasionally popping up historical events in Kafiristan or in the middle of a Prohibition enforcement task force despite resigning himself to the life of a Chicago beat cop.

There are, of course, no aliens or planet Zeist as these are manufactured theories invented by The Watchers to make claims of Immortals beheading each other in the back alleys and parking garages of major metropolitan regions seem like baseless conspiranoia.

Stranger

So, would OUR MAN FLINT qualify?

The movie Thunderball doesn’t have any of the standard opening title sequence (for complicated legal reasons), and doesn’t even have the real theme song, just a song called “Thunderball” written for the film.

But… It does have a silhouette of what could be a nude woman swimming around, so this tracks.

My own personal theory is that Connery’s character in The Rock is actually Allan Quatermain under a pseudonym, and The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen years later was a prequel.

Except that Derek Flint is actually good at his job.

Stranger

Yeah, but I was wondering about Triple-Oh-Eight.

008 is Bill.

Don’t know Bill’s last name though. I guess a spy needs his secrets!

Bill doesn’t need another 0 though.

‘M’ regularly threatens to give an assignment to 008 after expressing concerns about Bond’s abilities or willingness to follow direction. Several of the lower-numbered agents in the Double-Oh section are observed to be killed on assignment which leads to speculation that the numbers are not assigned randomly but are rather a ranking of competence or confidence from low to high. Bond being in the upper half of that list suggests that MI6, like the British automotive establishment, is kind of slapped together with little care or expectation of longevity, something explicitly stated by Bond in Casino Royale.

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So it was always obvious to me that Connery’s character was meant to be a “James Bond type”, mean he’s a British secret agent played by Sean Connery ffs, that’s hardly an out there fan theory.

Whether he’s literally James Bond probably has more to do with intellectual property rights over whether the filmmakers of the Rock have to the name :slight_smile:

Thought for a minute it was Bill Fairbanks (victim of Scaramanga). But apparently he was 002.

You folks are all wrong. It’s a Zardoz sequel.

Zed didn’t die of old age in the future, he used some remaining Tabernacle tech to travel back in time and attempt to put events in motion that would prevent the formation of the two distinct classes of Eternals and Brutals. Unfortunately, he was imprisoned before he could do much to change the course of history.

Each of the Highlander movies, as I recall, also ignored all of the other Highlander movies, so it would actually fit the mold pretty well for the Rock to do the same.

That is what I came here to write, but as you have nijae’d me I will just claim now it is a Zardoz prequel in a time warped universe.