Do you hate Americans?

American culture is strange and foreign to me, despite their attempt to speak my native tongue.

Seriously, I just don’t get a few things about (some)Americans (things that seem to come across strongly on message boards and the like); the sometimes puritanical attitudes to sex, personal interaction and the human body in general. The patriotism-zilla thing. Guns. The apparent political divide (between two parties that look the same from where I’m standing)

Of course I have no idea really how widespread strong these traits are in the American populace. and I don’t feel; any hate because of any of this.

I’m also an Englishman and agree with aldiboronti apart from the speaking German bit.

I’ve visited the US a number of times and in all my visits have only ever met one snotty American, he was drunk so I guess that excuses him.

I find Americans extremely friendly/generous and willing to be buddies at the drop of a hat.

Could you describe the things which fall under that behavior or into that category? I’m wondering if you are including enthusiastic discussions of whether something is Constitutional or “unAmerican.”

Nah, most of the Americans I have met are lovely.

I find the right-wing religious conservative agenda repellent, but that doesn’t equate to all Americans… and it’s not like we Brits don’t have our share of knugle-dragging right-wing nutjobs.

Yes, those could possibly be examples (although the ‘constitutional’ thing I would put in another category all of its own - I did consider this when posting above, but just left it off for no particular reason)

but I’m also thinking of things like:

  • insistence that domestic manufactured products are the best in the world, even when this is objectively not the case.
  • USA! USA! USA! (OK, there are times when this sort of chanting is entirely appropriate - such as an international sports tournament, but there are times when it isn’t, such as when you are invading some country or other).

This could just be me though - I just don’t get patriotism, generally.

Hate? Naah.

There are some things about America I find annoying - others have listed some of them already, but they include sense of entitlement, gun culture, anti-intellectualism, Religious Right, consumerism, capital punishment, corporationism. But none of those are unique to America.

There are also things about America I pity: you are trapped in your car-dominated, architecturally-sterile and culturally deserted exurbias, subjects of moneyed elites who trade your beautiful environment for more lucre. But again, that’s not unique to America.

I save my hatred for specifics, like BushCo., the US Military in Iraq and that MacMahon guy from the WWE.

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Permanently transplanted American (and no, I didn’t leave because of That Man. I came here during the first Clinton administration. Totally non-political). The Americans that I could honestly say I hate are limited to a group that could probably fit in a small pub.

I am, however, glad to be away from a few things, particularly the extent to which religion is a part of everyday life and (especially) government in America, and I resent when it tries to poke its head in over here in the form of missionaries. Most of the missionaries here are American, and while most of them are nice folks as individuals, I really wish they’d either keep their beliefs personal or just go home.

Tourists and newcomers are easy to spot, and while I roll my eyes sometimes, there’s really nothing wrong with them and I try to keep in mind that I was once one, too. The ones that act like they’re in a giant amusement park, however, are assholes (though I can’t say that that’s restricted to Americans).

On two occasions, I’ve been told that Americans who move to other countries are cowards (once directly said to me, and once just as a general online declaration). The reasoning in both cases went like this: “America has more freedom than anyone else. Therefore, if you move to another country, you’re giving up freedom, and anyone who voluntarily gives up freedom is a coward.”

I probably ought to expand on this a bit, because it’s not the simple fact that some people find some things oogy or icky - that sort of thing happens in all cultures, I’m sure, it’s this:

A typical (with exceptions, naturally) European reaction to seeing something oogy or icky seems to be “I don’t like that; I guess I should stop watching it”.

A typical (again, with exceptions, I’m sure) American reaction to seeing something oogy or icky seems to be “I don’t like that; I think they should stop doing it”.

I’m not at all sure if my perception of these reactions and their prevalence is at all fair and balanced, but there it is anyway. Did I insert enough qualifiers?

Mangetout: Part of the major difference between Democrats and Republicans is the floating cultural tension. That is, not how they differ, but that they exist to oppose one another. Long ago, they stared into the belly of the beast, and by and large, became that one creature, the politician, but that said, in opposition, they define themselves. That, and in the segments of the country they claim to represent. Which are somewhat considerably different.

And not too long ago, domestic products were the best in the world. And when they weren’t, they were more familiar, and thus best to a essentially insular culture. Remember, ‘domestic’ covers a sweep from NY cheesecake to Wisconsin Cheddar to California wines. So ‘domestic’ for us, is all the way from England to Russia. There’s a lot more to be domestic about.

Part of the inherent American patriotism is the fact that at heart, every one of us chose to be here. (Excepting the Native Americans, of course.) We, or our ancestors, left somewhere to find a better life here. And by and large, most of us did, we like to think. So if here is better than where we came from, of course it’s better than anywhere else.

It’s not especially logical, but there you go. Not only have Americans fought and died for their land, but they fought and died to make it what they want it to be, as well. Not by the whim of the ruler, but by the demand of the population.
There is an amount of self-determination at the core of every American that simply can’t be duplicated by your great mass of Europeans. And that’s probably the best explanation of our national patriotism as I can give you.

As far as guns, it’s like free speech and religion. They wouldn’t be such a big deal if people didn’t keep trying to take 'em away from us. (Note: This is a mention of emotional reactions, not logical ones.)

That whole “America has more freedom than anyone else” thing is truly grating. When the ex-Pricegal was an exchange student in the US, several guys actually offered to marry her so she wouldn’t have to return to Sweden.

Yeah, that was an offer she just couldn’t wait to accept.

And at the same time, paradoxically, I have noticed that many Americans believe that Sweden is this magical place where everything is for free and everybody is happy. How this rhymes with the whole America is the best country in the world thing, I couldn’t say.

Well, the Natives did choose to be here, and got here first. However, I have ancestors who most certainly did NOT choose to come here.

Anyone who criticises the entire population of a country for that Government’s policy is simply prejudiced.
So while I think President Bush has made some terrible decisions, I don’t confuse him with an average American. They’re jolly nice! :slight_smile:

To start with, I have visited the US once. I took my School roleplaying team first for a week sightseeing in Chicago (it was before I joined the SDMB, otherwise I’d have visited the Reader…), then on to Gen Con in Milwaukee.
We had a fantastic time! :cool:
The food was excellent and plentiful. The streets were clean and people were friendly. They particularly enjoyed our accents (we were thought to be Australian / South African / Scottish :eek: ). We had plenty of helpful advice (e.g. directions) and no problems.
The Roleplaying Convention was superb. The pupils could play from 0800 - 23.00 each day (my colleague and I took shifts). 25,000 participants, yet I saw no drunkenness, no swearing and no crime.
A marvellous advert for the country and the people.

On the other hand…

  • Guantanamo Bay (every UK citizen held without trial that has been released has immediately upon return home not been charged with anything. Apparently there was no evidence, or it was mistaken identity. So much for US freedoms.)

  • Iraq and the ‘WMD’s’ (British troops are dying in Iraq.)

  • Abu Graib (shows how the Bush attitude to foreigners filters down to the troops)

  • the French are ‘cheese eating surrender monkeys’, according to the Bush Government (of course the French predicted there would be no WMD’s found and suggested the inspection team be given more time to establish this). When one Government shows such contempt for an entire country, you can see why it cause the same reaction in reverse.

  • the ‘War on Drugs’ a classic case of a Government whipping up unthinking voters. It’s not a war. You can’t win it.

  • Bush identifies with religious fundamentalists. Banning teaching of evolution, or using the Ten Commandments as justice is fine, because these people vote for him.

I can’t help suspecting that the explanation of the offer might not have been entirely straightforward; that is to say that perhaps they were inspired by something other than altruism.

I dunno. If that goverment is a dictatorship or some kind of totalitarian regime, then you’re obviously right; if that government is pursuing policies radically different from those in their election manifesto, then again, I think you’d be right.
But if the government is carrying on business as usual and was duly elected by the majority of voters, then… I dunno… certainly it would be wrong to criticise the entire population, but I think there could still be valid criticism of the majority (either because they voted them in, or because they didn’t bother to vote).

Nobody in the Bush administration has referred to the French as “cheese-eating surrender monkeys”. The phrase is from a Simpson’s episode which first aired during the Clinton administration, and was occasionally repeated later by media commentators, not administration officials.

There are a lot of things that Bush gets blamed for that he never said/did/what have you.

For future posts, could I ask that people identify themselves as non-American America haters or self-hating Americans? I am just curious, and was confused about which was which in some of the posts above. However, it seems that the people who hate Americans the most are Americans.

Forgive me for the thoughtless omission, D_Odds. Yes, clearly some people were brought here by force. (And others were sentenced here… some of my ancestry, I suspect), but the thought I mentioned stems from the original concept.

That’s the point. If you want to regard everything someone says as irrelevant, portray them as hating all Americans.

I hope in the future Americans are thought of as a warlike, vicious people, because I bet a lot of high schools would pick ‘Americans’ as their mascot.
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