Do you think Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide?
Yes, I do. Prisoners off themselves all of the time. It’s easier to blame inattentive guards in an understaffed prison for his suicide than it is to invent convoluted conspiracy theories. Occam’s Razor, and all that. The simplest theory is usually the most correct.
I am willing to accept that conclusion from a reasonably well conducted investigation. That there’s going to be people out there who will refuse to trust ANYTHING official, I can’t help that.
(Which does not preclude a situation of his keepers having decided “I’m not going to put much effort into keeping this waste of skin alive”. )
Damn. I voted NO by mistake.
I do think he killed himself. I also think it was intentionally made possible for him to do so.
I think the poll should have had two options. One for a unexpected suicide and one for somebody intentionally making it possible for him to commit suicide.
Yes, but not because of his feeling any sort of guilt or remorse after all these years. I suppose suicide was more compelling than having to go through the trial and continued humiliation. He might have done it as his final “fuck you” to all those who would use him for information and then lock him up for the rest of his life.
I am in line with all of this, except the voting No by mistake part.
I wish this vote was public.
I voted that he killed himself.
There was so much seemingly deliberate action by the jail that just screams “murder”.
But this is often the case when you start looking at such things. Odd thing after odd thing seem to pile up. That is practically to be expected.
The tired-of-conspiracy-theories person in me says it was just ultra sloppy prison stuff and a mentally disturbed person who always wanted to do Certain Things all the time and now couldn’t.
I’m keep thinking of the scene in Godfather II when Tom talks to Frank in the prison yard, for some reason.
Occam’s Razor. I get that, in theory. But the whole Epstein saga has been crazy and bizarre, like the circus train crashed and the animals escaped. So when I hear hoofbeats, I do kind of wonder if I’ll see a zebra.
Someone may have smuggled in some nylon string and sold it to Epstein.
Could have been a corrupt guard. Or maybe the contraband was passed to him during a court date.
Otherwise I think Epstein did the rest himself.
I don’t know. I leaned towards yes before, but that was before I learned he was on suicide watch but then was taken off, which makes no sense. I need more information now.
And even if he did commit suicide, that doesn’t mean there was no foul play. I could see him being told that something bad would happen and encouraged to off himself, and then the guards paid to look the other way.
The main thing is that I think that the trial needs to still happen, even if changes to a civil trial against his estate. As long as nothing is hushed up, then it really doesn’t matter.
ITA, and I voted yes.
Is there a lihop vs mihop division?
I think he probably killed himself but powerful people made it so that was an option for him.
Very aptly described.
Yes, from me with no assistance. As mentioned, prisoners do kill themselves occasionally. Heck our infamous Colonel Russel Williams attempted suicide, but they found him in time.
Yes. As someone with major depression who has come close to killing himself numerous times in the past I can tell you that a trained professional is no match for someone who is determined to harm themselves, they are merely always playing catch-up. As a fellow patient, who eventually succeeded at killing himself, told me once “they need to always be lucky all the time, I just need to be lucky once and only for a few seconds.”
How do you know it was a nylon cord? Epstein had a blanket and sheet in his cell since he was no longer on suicide watch.
I read that is much more common for pretrial inmates to commit suicide than those that have already been sentenced.
Misclick…one No should be a Yes.
There clearly should be an investigation. Someone who’s attempted suicide once succeeding shortly afterwards calls into question preventative measures. That’s different than evidence of some grand conspiracy.