There is no doubt in my mind that you genuinely believe that.
Wrong. The civil case proceeds. Epstein’s victims are going to pick his estate clean like leopards on a zebra carcass.
In fact… though Epstein’s criminal complained is now moot, his death strengthens the civil case against him, and the criminal case against others. As of Epstein’s death, no living person has grounds for a 4th-amendment challenge to any search warrant against Epstein’s estate.
I think a number of people in this thread are forgetting the lessons learned from the Sandra Bland case; “the jailers killed him/gave him the rope” is far less likely than “the jailers were overworked and underequipped”.
Yeah, this.
That is very possible, but it seems frankly bizarre that Jeffrey Epstein, possibly the highest-risk and highest-profile inmate in custody, would have been treated with the same neglect as Sandra Bland.
I don’t see why it’s hard to believe that a old rich guy whose life is about to go from yacht parties and sexual thrills to steel bars and constant threats and who has just been shoved into solitary confinement in a prison that’s constantly getting sued for inhumane conditions would try to kill himself, and that since said prison is so badly understaffed that he wouldn’t be getting regular checks that he’d succeed. I’m sure quite a few people wanted him dead and pushed for him to end up where he did in hopes of that happening, but I don’t see that there has to be an actual hit on him involved.
This, but we may not agree on the reason. It seems unlikely to have been arranged by an uncharged (yet) accomplice who needed his own protection, since he could have been dealt with much more quietly and much earlier. Most probably, the guards and warden quietly agreed that it was appropriate for this child-raping scum to clean up the matter himself.
I absolutely believe he committed suicide. I also absolutely believe nobody in charge gave enough of a shit to prevent it.
I totally believe that the guards were inept, understaffed, and overworked.
I’ve had a lot of friends and relatives who worked in corrections over the years and it’s a crappy job that nobody wants to do, they’ll hire just about anybody, and because of that you can get as much overtime as you want.
Because the prisons are funded by taxes and run by the gov’t they are often run down, face regular budget cuts, and get over crowded. Suicide proof rooms and sheets with 24/7 hi-tech surveillance by highly trained staff is just a thing out of the movies.
There are reports now that the two guards who were assigned to watch Epstein fell asleep for more than three hours, then falsified their reports. They have been placed on administrative leave and face possible criminal charges and the warden has been reassigned. I do hope the guards are prosecuted to the fullest extent.
If you mean did he decide for internal reasons to end his own life? No.
It’s pretty easy for me to believe he was murdered either directly by another person, or that he was coerced (Turn out the lights or your family is going out horribly). I’d call both of those murder.
I was just on the phone with my aunt, and she asked “Do you believe in the official story?” and I replied, “They keep changing it”.
It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if someone killed him, or sent him off to israel, where he can get plastic surgery.
People have been lied to about much bigger things (every war in the last few generations), so I give them no credibility.
I think that the simplest explanation is that he killed himself. But that would not have been possible, but for multiple irregularities in the system. And I think that the simplest explanation for those irregularities is that someone in a position of power ordered those irregularities.
Sure, the prison he was in was overworked and understaffed. But let’s not forget that the people in authority specifically chose to move him to that prison.
I can believe in sleepy guards much more easily than I can believe in any of the three preceding theories. Most organizations are like your state’s Motor Vehicles office. In other words, a massive clusterfuck. No one really is in power.
What prison (technically, jail, since he hadn’t been convicted) could they have put him in that ISN’T overworked and understaffed and operated with all of the efficiency of a mid-80s DMV?
It is not hard to believe that, no.
It is also not hard to believe that somebody offed the son of a bitch.
It’s hard for me to believe that.
And this is the most easily believed and most probable cause of it all. Having stood late night watches in the military after a hard day’s work, I know that sleep just overcomes you at some point. I’m sure it wasn’t the first time these guys slept while on duty, and not the first time they fudged the records. This time it will cost them their jobs.
And most likely, their freedom. I believe the federal government can press charges for falsifying their logs.
It is, if you look at it reasonably. What evidence is there, exactly, of someone taking positive steps to “off the son of a bitch” in some active way? What motive would they have for taking the high risk option of an assassination rather than the low-risk option of putting him into a place where he’s very likely to commit suicide and where the overworked guards will take the fall if he does? Even if someone did want to off him, wouldn’t it make sense to wait a week or two to see if he’d succumb to inhumane conditions and absent guards before pulling the trigger?