Do you wish you had a job that made a long term difference or left a permanent mark in world?

I’ve struggled with this for much of my career. I worked construction to earn my way through college. At the time I was mostly unskilled labor. But a lot of the remodeling jobs that I worked on are still standing 30 years later. I remember five or six room additions we did. I was part of the framing and roofing crews on those jobs. Those houses may have sold a couple times but the additions we added are still enriching their lives.

I envy people with jobs that leave a mark in the world. Theres a local builder that did some remodeling work for me. He bought land back in the early 80’s. He would build a spec house, put it on the market, and then do remodeling jobs until it sold. He also built custom homes for clients that requested them. Today he’s almost seventy, semi-retired, and owns one of those spec houses he built in the late 80’s. Half the houses on that street are homes he built. He picked out the blueprint, did the framing, and most of the interior finish. He made choices for the exterior finish. That house is brick because he made that choice. Its a career legacy that will last for decades to come.

Songwriters, musicians, and painters are much the same. Their work has a certain relevance and permanence for many years. You don’t have to be famous. A local artist’s oil painting that sells for $500 might hang in a private home for 40 years. Then hang in someone elses home for even even more years. Or it may get donated to Goodwill. :stuck_out_tongue: Everything has a shelf life. How many people can list five Irving Berlin songs? But his music was known and enjoyed for several decades. Our local tv weather man wrote a Christmas song back in the mid 80’s. He performed the piano and a local singer did the vocals. It’s become a regional favorite and is on youtube. Part of many families annual holiday tradition.

Its rare to have a job that makes any lasting mark in the world. Teachers can look back at former students that went on to successful lives. But theres also the burnouts that end up in prison or drug rehabs.

I often wonder if I made a mistake leaving construction. One of my longest career burn out periods came very early in my computer programming career. We had a very long and complex conversion of our in house HR and Payroll system to another mainframe. We had a team of five guys on this project. Working 50 hour weeks. We went live on schedule and ran payrolls for seven months. Then the administration decides they want to go with a canned system they wanted to buy. We had to move the HR and Payroll system back to the old mainframe. They returned the new mainframe and got something else. A year or so later they buy this expensive canned system and I helped convert everything over. I found out later the admin always wanted to go with the canned software. But contractually they couldn’t switch hardware vendors. That year long project I invested so much into never stood a chance.

It triggered a two and half year burnout in my career. Where I just didn’t give a shit about my job anymore. I had so much pride and such a feeling of accomplishment in that first payroll project. I made the mistake of caring about my job and being defined by it. I finally got past that first burnout. I still get satisfaction from coding and writing reports. I know they’ll end up in the trash a few days after I turn it in. But the information I provide serves a purpose. I moved into a new job 15 years ago that allows me to provide all the pc support for a dept. I personally spec’d out the server. Purchased the staff workstations and purchased some software we used. It’s still only temporary. The server has been replaced twice. The workstations get obsolete every four or five years and require replacing. Part of my job still requires me to write database reports. Its interesting work and keeps me busy.

I’ve learned to accept the career I’ve got. But I do wonder what if. What if I had become a contractor/builder. Or pursued my love of music and written songs. Would I have left even the tiniest mark on this world? Something that actually mattered?

Ultimately my biggest legacy is my family. The daughters my wife and I raised. The values we tried to teach them.

Sorry, for rambling. Middle age is kicking my ass lately. I got a whole lot years less ahead of me than whats behind me. It makes me think about choices I made and whether they mean a hell of a lot.

Family is a legacy that will do just fine. It’s the way 99.99% of humanity has influenced the future since the dawn of time.

As for the OP, it’s never been a concern for me. I touch the future - I teach.

“'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!”

Nothing lasts forever. If my name is forgotten in 5 generations or 50, will that matter to me? Is my purpose in life to leave the biggest mark I can? If so, there are lots of ways to leave your imprint on history but not all of them are very nice and many of them require prices I cannot or will not pay.

I think the familial legacy is rich enough. I feel blessed as it is. If I am remembered by more people than my immediate descendants after my death, that’s nice but it’s not necessary.

I once worked around aircraft that carried nukes. I’m glad that I didn’t.

:eek: I’m very glad you didn’t leave a mark on the world either. :smiley: Thats one permanent legacy no one wants.

I guess everybody finds some way to get satisfaction from their job. What ever it may be. A cashier at a store can brighten someone’s day with a smile.

I always needed a job that stimulated me mentally and that allowed me to use my creativity. I wasn’t cut out to work on an assembly line or in a store. My very first job was bagging in a grocery store. It was ok. But I can’t imagine keeping a job like that for more than a year or so.

Middle age does have its perks. I’ve dusted off my guitar. It was in the closet for 15 years. I played through high school and college. It feels great reconnecting with something I once loved.I was never talented enough for a pro career. I did a few bar gigs in college and thats something I never enjoyed. But I can still have a lot of fun and just focus on playing as well as I can. I want to record some music for my family. They can keep the cd’s or trash them. Doesn’t really matter. Its the personal creativity that I crave and need.

This.

Seriously, get over yourself and don’t worry about it. Even the likes of Bill Gates will barely rate as much as a line in the history books of the fourth millennium.

I have to say yes, I really would like to feel I left a positive mark on the world. I also like people who think like this. The internet has made it possible for great collaborations to form like never before. I wish I could live long enough to see the great things that will surely come about.

Both of my parents (now deceased) were artists. Though they’re not famous, both of them have pieces in hundreds of people’s homes, and a few in public places. My father even has a piece in the permanent collection of our prestigious art museum.

I’m also an artist, doing pieces way different than either of my parents. But the things I’m most proud of are the 6 CDs I designed for the chorus I’m in. Each was a labor of love, with a great amount of labor, and a great amount of love. I consider them my legacy.

But now, more and more people are no longer playing CDs, and in time, more and more of my work will be discarded, lost or destroyed. How many of them will still be around in 10 years? 20 years? 100 years? The bottom line is this: This issue exists only while I’m still alive; after I’m gone, who cares?

“But do they call me Mac the house-builder? Nooo…”

I was referring to something, anything that might be around for a few years. Build a house and it should be there a few decades from now. Oil paintings might hang in a house for years.Nearly any creative work has some lifespan if its any good. There are people in jobs that can say. “I did that or I helped do that.” years later.

I realize nothing is permanent. Houses fall into disrepair if they aren’t maintained. It unlikely anything done today will be remembered a hundred years from now. A few people like world leaders or very talented artists are remembered for a relativity limited time. Thats just the way the world works.

I work in a field where work I do might end up in the trashcan within a day or two. Thats better than some jobs. The paycheck I get lasts a bit longer. :smiley:

When I was in high school and college, all the advice I got from everyone was that I should change the world - all the stuff mentioned in the original post.

I have since completely rejected that advice. I can make the world a marginally better place through my interactions with the people around me… and I have grown to largely distrust the people who are changing the world. I want to make ripples, not waves, and I don’t care if there’s any lasting legacy.

At this stage, I’ll settle for not leaving too much of a mess.

Whenever I find myself thinking about how important or non-important I am, I mentally kick myself in the ass and try to think about something else. I believe it’s just one of those thought tracks that can’t lead to anything but delusional thinking.

One day I was feeling down on myself about something. I think I even had tears in my eyes. I was walking home and I happened to gaze upwards. My eyes landed on the window sill of an apartment building. I spied a little flower pot. “Hey, that’s kind of cute,” I thought. I walked over to it so I could admire it closer up. Then it hit me. I had made that. The sun had bleached the paint a little, giving it a funky color. But it was clearly my handiwork. And the succulent growing in it was the same one I had sold along with the pot. Based on the vertical height of the plant, I’m guessing it was about two years old.

I’m likely not going to have children, so I won’t have a legacy that lives on “forever” after I die. My work is important to me, but I know that I’m nothing but a tiny cog in a giant machine. I am an artist, but not a great one. Once my immediate family and I die, no one will remember my name.

But seeing that planter in the random window made me feel like I’ve made an imprint on the world. It lifted my mood on that day, and it continues to every time I pass by that window sill. That’s good enough for me.

That’s a good point Martian Bigfoot. :stuck_out_tongue:

Maybe the indentation from my ass in my recliner is my legacy. :smiley: It’ll be huge in a few years.

I have worked for either state/federal government agencies or federal contractors my entire adult life. For 15 years I was a technical writer, and the programs I worked on always had customers with missions I could totally get behind. Then 3.5 years ago I changed careers and started doing business development, and for a little while I actually did miss that sense of mission. Not that there’s anything wrong with helping a company be successful, but it’s not quite the same as, say, helping the FBI catch bad guys (however minuscule my role in that may have been :slight_smile: ). Now, though, I’m a proposal writer, and I’ve regained some of that “mission” feeling: I’m back to having customers – whatever agency issued the Request for Proposals – who do cool/important stuff.

So yeah, I like feeling that the work I do might help someone else make a difference. But do I worry about a legacy, or anything like that? Nah.

(I’m also a musician, and that’s definitely all about the here-and-now: what do I care if I’m remembered? I’m just hoping to share my passion with some folks who don’t mind it while I’m here.)

We all end-up underground, as does everything we create.

If you want to leave a positive mark on your world, do good and be kind to everyone around you, and loosen the connection between those things and what you do for a living.

Or, become a stone-mason.

I really don’t think I need a big important job to make the world a better place. Just my opinion.

A thousand little acts of kindness and decency and generosity; being an example, as much as I can; making my children good people. That stuff adds up.

I think legacy is something that we all have some concern about to some degree or another. I also think it’s something that becomes more and more of a concern as we have greater and greater reach. Consider one person who works hard and struggles just to provide a home for his family and remains in poverty all his life; he probably doesn’t spend much time hoping he’d written the great American novel or screenplay or done work worthy of a Nobel prize. On the other hand, by virtually anyone’s standard, rising to the level of one’s career to be a powerful politician, a famous artist, a businessman, though they will already be known by more and remembered longer than the former, they too seem to often have an obsession with their legacy. After all, why be Chester A Arthur or James K Polk when you can be Washington or Lincoln?

Speaking for myself, it is something important to me that I make a difference in the world, but it really doesn’t mean anything to me if my name is remembered. Really, I just want be able to look back on my life when I’m on my deathbed and believe that I left the world a better place than if I had never existed. And I think that even in some menial jobs, that exists.

For instance, I work with computers. I work for the Coast Guard, and while not everything I work on means much, I’ve had a number of projects that were just a step or two away from helping save lives. Interestingly, when I was doing work post Katrina, helping re-establish communications and data that directly helped with SAROPs, it was a lot of work, but it felt important. At the same time, I was dating someone I’d met in grad school and worked in the same field as me, except she did work creating algorithms for better individualization for digital advertisements. She complained all the time about how much she felt her work wasn’t doing any good. Last I heard, shortly after we broke up she quit and went to work for a non-profit and was happier for it, even making less money. I can imagine I would have felt the same way.

But at the same time, not everyone’s legacy needs to come from their job. Again, speaking for myself, even though it’s important for me to have meaning in my day job, the parts of my life that are most important to me are in other things that interest me. I’m a musician, and I don’t ever expect to “make it big” and, in fact, I don’t really want to, but I would like to believe that as I share my music, the messages that are important to me and are a part of it are shared as well. Maybe I’ll inspire other people to pick up music. Or maybe I’ll just make the lives of those who hear it just a little better. I’m sure all of my artistic creations will be lost within a generation, but I do believe that those ripples will have a lasting effect.

And even still, for people not inclined to those, there’s other ways. For a lot of people, their family is their legacy, and I think it’s admirable as well. Or perhaps people volunteer in charity. There’s many ways that one can contribute and make the world just a little better. Really, I just can’t imagine looking back at my life, or perhaps my friends and family looking back, and just seeing me as someone who just was born, did a menial, and died; basically being nothing more than having consumed resources and produced nothing of value out of it.

I feel like I’ve done a fair amount, but I also feel like I have a lot more I have left to do. I’ve still got a lot of time left, why not do as much as I can?

I work as a small cog in a big machine with a good mission, and I have to say I like it a lot. Every job has it’s frustrations, annoyances and office politics, but at the end of the day it’s good to know that my work will hopefully add up to a lot of improvement to a lot of lives. I mean, I have to do something with my time, so why not this?

That said, there are plenty of things to do with your skills outside of work that make an impact. I can’t tell you how much work there is for skilled coders making socially conscious applications and the like. Some of the work that has been done by volunteers is mind boggling. I don’t know what you do exactly, but chances are your skills are needed somewhere. And if not, maybe it’s time to buff up your skills.

I used to have a job I believed in. I miss the feeling that I was making the world a better place.
That said:
“I long to accomplish great and noble tasks, but it is my chief duty to accomplish humble tasks as though they were great and noble. The world is moved along, not only by the mighty shoves of its heroes, but also by the aggregate of the tiny pushes of each honest worker.”

  • Helen Keller