Doctor Who 7x14: The Name of the Doctor

The secret is that he’s not on his Eleventh incarnation, he’s on his Twelfth. He’s disowned the actual Ninth incarnation.

Exactly what kind of crime do you think he could have committed that is a) worse than the genocide of two species including his own, b) justifiable as being done ‘in the name of sanity and peace’ c) isn’t just ‘the same thing, but more so’ and d) isn’t something he’s done repeatedly in incarnations that haven’t been disowned (like rewrite significant points in history, even mucking about in ‘fixed points’)?

[Edit…bah, I left this window open to compose the post too long…well, you know which I’m replying to, anyway…]

Really don’t get all of you who’re complaining about them not revealing the name of the Doctor. It could never be satisfying (“My name is… Bob.”), and to be honest, it wouldn’t even be particularly meaningful. Much like the backstory of Darth Vader, it’s best left as a question.

In other news, I read somewhere that a) next season is going to be Moffat’s last and b) there’s a possible mid-season regeneration in the works. I am honestly thrilled with a) and disappointed about b). Moffat could write some brilliant single episodes–Blink and the Library episodes that introduced River–but as a showrunner he has been a terrible disappointment. While RTD certainly had his flaws, and he did do season-long plot arcs, for the most part, it was just a fun romp every week with a little bit of B-plot getting us to the finale. These heavy arcs that Moffat seems to love… as someone upthread said, I preferred it when the Doctor was saving the universe, not at the center of it.

Smith, on the other hand, I’ve come to love–I just wish he was in a show run by RTD rather than Moffat, for the most part. I’ll hate to see him go. On the other hand… I’m not sure what I think about his future career. I’ve been delighted to see each thing that Tennant has done; his acting chops are impeccable. I’ll watch what Smith does, but I’m not sure if I’ll be able to see him as other than the Doctor.

I agree with this completely. I really like Jenny (a lot more than I like the lizard) but I thought her death scene was perfect. I know Doctor Who, both Moffett and RTD love to play around with the whole ‘echoes after death’ thing, but I thought this was the best example yet.

And then they bring her back with the push of a button.

It was also in the BBC America version. I was looking for Ten and I spotted that scene immediately. It was a scene from the Library with him standing on the far right of the screen looking out over the planet. You couldn’t see his face but the coat was obvious.

No, that’s just Communism.

Yeah, the scene was really well done and powerful and her immediate revival by Strax undercut it and I found it odd how blase Strax was about it. Even with the understanding that Vastra has a stronger relationship and connection with Jenny, her almost breakdown and Strax’s nonchalance were really at odds.

It would be significant if his name was “The Other.”

While I wasn’t entirely convinced by the “conference call” thing nor the virtual River following the Doctor around like an invisible puppy, the bits of this that worked worked well. The dead TARDIS was an interesting concept.

“There is one secret that the Doctor will take to his grave, and it is discovered” turned out to be true in a different way - the Doctor literally took the secret to his gravesite, and “it” turned out to mean the grave, not the secret. Clever. The other catchphrases of the season were a little more contrived: they managed to work in both “Run away, you clever boy, and remember…” and “I don’t know where I am” but not in a particularly subtle way. Less clever.

I have to admit that I’m not entirely sure about the ending. The GI jumps in and is destroyed (while also “destroying” the Doctor). Clara jumps in and is…not destroyed? If Clara was everywhere, scattered across time and space, who did the Doctor rescue? And was this Clara born, like all the others, because she’d jumped in? Timey-wimey, wibbly-wobbly…

I think I’d rather that this Clara was gone but that we continued to occasionally meet the “other” Claras from time to time. That’d do the Doctor’s head in.

I think the mystery of why the GI died but Clara did not is one of the questions that will be answered next season.

I did like River’s little “If I’m linked with Clara, and I’m still here, she must not be dead. smirk” Where did you get your doctorate, the University of Duh?

I’ve been reading lot of speculation that the emperor / dwarf is a metaphor for the Doctor. The emperor ran away, took a funny name, and lived among common people. The emperor destroyed planets to stop a war. The Doctor destroyed Gallifrey.

I hope The Doctor isn’t The Other. That would be a massive retcon for the series. The Doctor was put on trial by the Timelords. He was President for awhile. But he’s not the greatest Timelord ever.

Now that’s what I’m talkin’ about! Hot damn, a great episode that almost made trudging through the rest of the season worthwhile.

Perfect explanation of Clara. Great use of Vastra/Jenny/Strax, just one episode after I’d said I’d had enough of them. Great story, great dialogue. Pretty good use of River, and a perfect goodbye for her (I hope that’s what that was. It was, right?). And now they’ve got me hooked again for a torturous 6-month wait. Kudos!

ETA: I haven’t read the thread at all yet. Watch everyone else hate it now that I’ve raved about it. :wink:

According to the Tardis wiki, some of the canon text works strongly imply that the Doctor is the reincarnation of The Other after he threw himself into The Loom.

I know shit about classic Who though so I’m not really well versed in this stuff.

This episode seems to be pretty polarizing. My brother-in-law had posted a Facebook status saying that this was the best episode in years - then when I watched it myself, I wondered if I had seen the same episode.

Some random thoughts:

What’s the point in having a character die if you can bring them back so easily? Jenny gets brought back to life by Strax. Clara is told that she will die if she jumps into the timestream (or whatever it was called) and then clearly doesn’t. I would have even preferred if Clara was told “Don’t jump in there, we don’t know what will happen to you. You could die.” At least then there would be some kind of risk, instead of being told she would die and then being perfectly fine. So she gets to make a big sacrifice without actually having to do anything - since it is only copies of her that are actually saving the doctor.

I also wish the idea of the Clara copies had been fleshed out more. She’s been appearing in the Doctor’s life since his first incarnation, yet he only noticed the previous two - in the Dalek asylum and Victorian London. I found myself wishing they had shown at least another version or two. Or even when the kids were showing Clara the photos they’d found of her, if only they had photos of some of her other copies too.

When RTD was the showrunner and it was announced that Moffat was taking over, I was excited, as he had written some of my favorite episodes. But like others have said, I am not impressed with his showrunning abilities. At least with Davies, when a season/series ended, the arc ended with it. Sure, we got a few mentions of Torchwood and Bad Wolf in later episodes, but those stories mostly ended with the season finales. We have essentially been in one big story arc since Moffat took over, and I’m sick of it. Maybe I haven’t been paying attention, but I still don’t know why the Tardis exploded on Amy & Rory’s wedding day, why that eyepatch woman and her minions hate the Doctor, or what “Silence will fall when the question is asked” has to do with any of this. The Silence are long gone and had nothing to do with the question of the Doctor’s name, if that is indeed the question being referred to, and maybe it isn’t. And now that the Impossible Girl mystery has been solved, it leads right into another mystery. I just feel like I want to take a breather and wrap up some existing storylines before we get all these new ones. This is why I could never get into the X-Files.

Regarding River, I don’t hate her, but I don’t like how the character’s story has been played out. In the library two-parter, she was a fairly serious character, and then when we saw her in the Angels two-parter, she’s suddenly a blonde femme fatale full of snarky quips. I suppose that relates to the other comments about how Moffat wants everyone to know how Awesome she is, so he changed the character a bit. But we’ve never really seen a reason why the Doctor loves her, other than the fact that he knows he’s “supposed to” because it already happened. And from her first episode, it’s implied that she knew the Doctor through many incarnations, as she thought that Ten was just another incarnation she hadn’t met yet, and was surprised that he didn’t know her. She starts asking him, “Have we had XYZ adventure yet? Have we done something-or-other together yet?” trying to figure out how much he knows about her. If the only Doctor she’s ever known was Eleven, that doesn’t really make sense. Anyway, I like Alex Kingston, and I like the idea of the character, I just don’t like how her story arc has gone.

It’s confusing and possibly a little stupid. River and the Doctor realize that the Tardis exploding at a particular time and place (where River currently has it) will cause the cracks that have been fucking everything up. River attempts to fly the Tardis somewhere else but she can’t so they move to plan B which is leave the Tardis because with no one inside, it will shut down and won’t explode. But the doors won’t open and when River rigs an explosion to open them, she sees a brick wall, so she can’t leave, the Tardis won’t shut down and it explodes, sort of. Madame Kovarian and the Silence tred to stop the Doctor because of the whole Trenzalore thing. They think if it happens something far more terrible will happen. But they killed the Doctor at Lake Silencio so everything’s fine and whatever Doctor they may see flying around the universe must be a pre Lake Silencio version.

Like I said, complicated and possibly a little bit stupid. Or I could be completely off base. I don’t really think too much about the overall plot.

The weird thing is that Clara seems to actually remember all of her incarnations now (at least, I got that impression). If that’s true, she’s getting into One True Companion territory. I love Clara, and the “impossible girl” thing was pretty cute, but I’m tired of everyone after Martha (hell, everyone excluding Martha and one-off companions if you count the Bad Wolf thing) being some sort of impossible time bending paradoxical goddess. I mean, Donna is some sort of time… coincidence… wound… convergence because of DoctorDonna, Amy has unfathomable powers of memory because she slept next to a rift in time for years* (and got a double whammy by also getting pregnant on the Tardis and giving birth to the Close-E-Fucking-Nuff Pseudo-Timelord that is River), and Clara is strewn about time and now apparently at least kind of knows every Doctor (except the secret one).

I really super <3 Clara’s personality, but I was kind of digging how they didn’t harp on her Super Specialness. Now I’m kind of worried that she’s crossed the line into super-duper-even-more-specialerest-than-Amy territory. Granted at least she’d make a pretty good wife for The Doctor… [/I WILL GO DOWN WITH MY SHIP]

Sidenote because I wasn’t caught up earlier in the season (unless we have a general discussion thread?): did they mention why the Doctor acts like he utterly LOST Amy and Rory? I mean, yeah, Tardis, Paradox, can’t rescue them blah blah, but is anything stopping him from landing 50 miles out of Manhattan and, y’know, taking a cab to have dinner with them? I know the Doctor is all ADVENTURE™, but the 11th has seemed to prove that he enjoys pure social calls at least somewhat. Maybe he just feels so guilty he can’t bring himself to do it? (After all, he knows that River sent them the book to be published, so he seems to be aware that they can be contacted without wounding the universe).

  • If that really did something, you’d think Cardiff would have an X-Men epidemic, but I digress.

ETA: You know, on review I’m not sure it’s really the companion special-ness that bothers me. I mean, DoctorDonna was awesome. I think it’s the obsessive foreshadowing and the coldheartedly ripping away everything awesome as soon as it’s revealed that bothers me.

They’re all so full of paradoxes, the metaphysical fabric of the universe is stretched so taut between them that one more touch will rip it to shreds beyond even the doctor’s capacity to restitch. Anything more than that, I think the answer is a combination of timey-wimey and Look! Monsters! Run!

Most of Moffat’s arcs fall apart if you start digging into them. At best they’re fine on the surface, and sometimes not even then.

I think he has all these grand visions that have so much detail that he can’t properly execute them all. So he has big buildups that lead to disappointing payoffs. Then there’s the fact that he just up and lies to us on occasion.

It’s not too surprising given the fact that spacetime probably isn’t real.

For anyone who’s interested, spacetime isn’t essential for general relativity. There is a growing movement in theoretical physics started by Julian Barbour that has shown that application of a purely relational (machian dynamic) frame of reference is all that’s needed in order to replicate all of the predictions of relativity. See Discover Magazine article.

So all of the paradoxes in the show really are just fiction despite the supposed scientific basis for them.

Oh, shut up! :wink:

I sowwry. [hangs head in shame]