Doctor Who Season 5 US pace thread. [No Spoilers until US Airing]

Well, to be fair - he isn’t changing history - where ever /when ever he is, he’s always in the present, puportedly changing the future - the history has already happened.

Its all that timey wimey stuff.

Well, sometimes the Doctor acts like Sam Beckett. There was that one time when Three restored history by returning a steamship, crew, and passengers that had been illegally abducted by aliens in 1923 or so.

Slight hijack, but whenever an event is mentioned that cannot be changed, it’s always an historical event. I’m sorry, but if time travel was possible then if you could change the small events then I firmly believe that you could change the large events. There’s nothing magical about an event being written down in a history book or being part of a news article.

I was just about to take a drink when he said this; fortunately no liquid had yet left the glass or it would probably have been sprayed (from across the room) onto my TV.

I also had a flashback during this episode to the recent discussion here on “Those Who Walk Away from Omelas”. At first I thought the children were being fed to “The Beast Below”.

I recall one of the Doctors explaining being unable to change some events thusly: they can be changed but something always happens to change them back, or make them worse. So it’s best to not try.

I was flashing back to Encounter At Farpoint.

THE DALEKS NOW COME IN FIVE EXCITING COLORS! COLLECT THEM AND TRADE THEM WITH YOUR FRIENDS!

I thought “Victory of the Daleks” was decent enough. Sometimes The Doctor has to lose.

Except for in “The Waters of Mars” episode where we saw written historical records change as Adelaide and her two Mars-o-nauts were returned to Earth.

I think that there are specific points in history that cannot be changed without severe consequences, as Tenth pointed out in that episode (at least within the context of this show, that is. No matter what Dr. Hawking says, I can’t see time travel being possible, or we would have seen evidence of it by now. Even if it’s possible only in the future and not yet.)

Something that needs considering is what The Doctor pointed out to Amy just as they were leaving WWII England - how did she forget that the Daleks moved the Earth and then invaded it? I think we’ll see that question has its answer in the crack that keeps showing up.

I hope the forgetting is permanent, though. My biggest gripe with RTD was that while The Doctor may have saved the Earth hundreds of times, no one ever knew about it. Having massive, large scale invasions occur twice a year ruined things a bit for me.

Maus - What about the first episode of Torchwood, where Capt Jack says that the 21st Century is when it all changes for the human race, that’s when they figure out they’re not alone in the universe? Seems that this Davies take on Earth’s place in the cosmos is now a basic rule in the DW writer’s manual.

Well, as some other people have mentioned, there’s probably something wrong with the flow of time in Amy’s village.

Overall I wasn’t too happy with this episode. The fighter pilots going into space to knock out the dish seemed silly and stupid to me. Keeping the android from blowing up by appealing to his humanity? Really? That’s all it took? Stupid, stupid, stupid.

And something I’m curious about. How did the new Daleks know about what happened with the old ones? They didn’t show them transferring knowledge; the new ones came out, asked the older ones if they were inferior, the older ones said yes, and the newer ones blew them to kingdom come. So how did they know about the android and everything else the “inferior” Daleks did?

Somebody fill me in: it’s currently on BBC America, right? When will SyFy or PBS (or whoever?) get it?

And Adelaide’s suicide restored the significant part of the timeline.

I enjoyed this one, generally. There was a lot of criticism and disappointment over in the UK pace thread–which I’ve been cautiously reading, since apparently there just aren’t many of us good boys 'n girls who wait for the US airing. :wink: (Or we just don’t have as much to say, I suppose.) Don’t get me wrong–I saw the problems, like having the Spitfires in space go from ‘some sketches’ to ‘fully operational’ in the space of about ten minutes. But hell–Spitfires in SPACE! But I’m pretty easy that way–as long as it obeys the Rule of Cool, I’m usually ready, willing and eager to keep the disbelief suspended so’s not to derail the Fun Train. So I cheered Danny Boy on and didn’t think too much about how he got there in the first place. Nor did I have any real problem with Winston–I feel as if the actor got the basic spirit right, even if he did ham it up a bit. (He was also a touch heavy for the role, but again, I’m willing to forgive.)

Less easy to swallow was the way Amy ‘defused’ the bomb in the android. It didn’t make sense, and there’s really nothing I can think of to make it make sense. The actor turned in a fine performance, but it really wasn’t a satisfying way to solve that problem. (In fact, it wasn’t really a solution at all; it came down to “It’s fixed 'cause we say it’s fixed.”)

And the technicolor Daleks? Atrocious. Hate 'em. I have my fingers crossed that the “Supreme” Dalek will decree that they all need a new paint job. If they were more ‘traditionally’ colored, I’d think they were super cool, but it’s really hard to be scared of anything in candy colors.

Syfy no longer has the rights to DOCTOR WHO. Your local PBS affiliate will likely get this season next year.

The thing about Amy’s solution was the same as last episode - and I hope it stops now - the Doctor, again, left with 2 impossible choices, and he focuses on the ‘pain and suffering’ of the robot dude, and Amy says “no doctor, remember lovey wovey stuff”.

It kinda works once - but if every week is gonna be "impossible choice for the doctor and doctor only thinks about painful things’, tis going to get old quick.

Aarrrggghhh!

p.s. (shoulda asked) I assume there will be no legal web stream anywhere?

BBC iPlayer - Home, but it’s only on there for a week and only accessable to UK ip addresses. I’m unsure about US based ones.

I suspect it will be available soon on Netflix streaming.

Yes - The rule of Cool definitely won out there.

Agreed - I think the ending seemed a bit rushed. It felt more like a set-up for future Dalek episodes.

From what I understand - and looking at a twenty-year old Doctor Who Magazine bare it out, the Daleks were originally brightly colored, you just couldn’t tell on the Black and White program. However after forty some-odd years of seeing the more metallic colored Darleks, has had its effect. The bright, primary colors just look wrong.