Doctor Who Season 5 US pace thread. [No Spoilers until US Airing]

There is no legal online Doctor Who stream available to US IP addresses. I have spent quite a lot of time researching this. (Although of course would be thrilled to find out I am wrong, if anyone has info?)

Ducking back out to the UK-pace thread now. :wink:

Is the season pass available in iTunes?

Does anyone but me think Matt Smith is trying too hard to be David Tenant?

From what I’ve seen of other Doctors, they’re personalities and mannerisms are pretty distinct. But Smith really seems to me to be doing a Tenant-Doctor impression rather than bringing a whole new Doctor to the mix.

When I saw the new Daleks, I was all, “ooh - they’re designed by Apple now. iDaleks!”

Not sure about the colors. No, actually the colors are fine. Not sure about the Daleks - can’t we get another villain, already? I’m rather tired of the Daleks.

Heh. Best prop investment BBC ever made. And the season previews tell us there’s going to be Cybermen, too…

All episodes of this season so far are available on iTunes. I din’t check for “season pass”–since I use Netflix for most of my streaming. Which now includes all the “New” Who episodes & a pretty good sample of the older ones. Just no New New Who–yet.

Also, I’ve got BBCAmerica–which re-runs their shows a lot & puts them OnDemand.

Agreed - It used to be they’d show up every couple of years, and be a real threat. Now that we’re seeing them nearly twice a year, they are suffering from some serious villain decay.

He’s got a goofy and befuddled thing going that is nothing like Tenant. I’m liking it. Tenant had the ‘fighting hands’ and often frowned when trying to figure things out. Smith edges up to slapstick.

I don’t mind the Technicolor Daleks, but I am curious if the white ones will always be the higher ranked ones if the color scheme continues. What I don’t like about the new Daleks is that their voices are deeper. I prefer the old higher pitched screechy voices that annoy the heck out of me and make me hate them even more. Of course for at least an hour after a Dalek episode, we run around the house screeching “Exterminate!”

Aren’t the Daleks loosely based on the Nazis or is that the Cybermen?

I’ve thought that from the first episode. Not that I mind because I thought that Tenant was an excellent doctor.

Daleks are the ones that consider themselves the master race. Cybermen started out as simply wanting to survive, adding cybernetic parts to themselves and Humans in order to do so. Not entirely unlike the Borg.

The closest you can get to legal is to find a UK proxy, as the proxy itself isn’t illegal. What I don’t know is whether violating the TOS of iPlayer (which says you must be in the UK or from the UK) is illegal.

Thanks Lute. Didn’t I read here or elsewhere that Star Trek’s Borg are based on the Cybermen?

Next week’s episode deals with the “weeping angels.” Hopefully this episode will be as almost as good as Blink. I see that Alex Kingston is reprising her role as River Song from “Forest of the Dead” in this episode and a few to follow. In “Forest of the Dead” didn’t River Song reference knowing the Doctor (Tennant) from the future or was it from the past?

Yeah, me too. When I saw the previews for “Victory of the Daleks”, my first thought was: Really bored with the Daleks.

The problem with Daleks is the same problem the writers of Star Trek had with the Borg; the only thing you can do with a villain bent on total annihilation is defeat them. They’ve got no sublety, no room for development - they’re a one-trick-pony.

Shades-of-gray villains, like the Master of The End Of Time or (to take it really old-school) Turlough, are much more interesting.

Just my $0.02.

An excellent discourse on cross-border broadcast/streaming legal and economic issues is here.

While I agree that Daleks can get old quickly, I do think what they did in this episode actually did show subtlety. They tricked the Doctor into confirming that they were Daleks, and then played on the Doctor’s inability to destroy Earth.

Anyways, I think you’ll like the Angels next week.

Thanks, I think you’re right. I’ve seen the previews and some stuff on the web about the Weeping Angels, and agree that they seem really creepy and threatening.

And I get what you are saying about the Daleks’ cleverness in this episode. What I meant by lacking sublety and depth was as characters. There’s nothing you can do with them, as a writer, other than figure out new ways for them to try to destroy all nonDaleks in the 'verse.

In fact, the Daleks are probably the happiest race in the universe. They know what they want, they know how to get it, and they are doing that as best as they can. No self-doubt, no self-examining, no self-conciousness. No conflict. In short - boring.

I wanted to get a few episodes of Matt Smith in before evaluating his style. I think his weakness is an inability to show pain and anger properly. He needed more sadness when he realized the Daleks had escaped to wreak havoc. He also needed more sadness realizing he was about to kill the star whale. His slapstick has a mime/chaplin/harold lloyd-quality that can be honed. It harkens to the initial days after regeneration when all of the Doctors were a bit goofy and finding themselves.

The things I remember are the creepy “That must be some scary crack” line. “The swimming pool is in the library”; “All I’ve got is a Post Office - and it’s shut”; The insight that the Doctor can look back at what he’s already seen and see missed details. The Doctor explaining how to look around and see your environment (when spotting the little girl crying). The Doctor shouting “You BEAUTY” when the spitfires attack. Deferring to Amy to help save Barecewell (but see below!).

Matt just needs to add a bit of melancholy and sadness in his repetoire to round his character out.

I didn’t like the Doctor not thinking to talk to the star whale. That’s totally out of character. If the Doctor had looked at a scope and made a throwaway line like “See, it’s brain dead; only running on pain” but then it would be a mercy to end it then.

When the Doctor was convincing Bracewell of his humanity, I would rather he looked over, before Amy spoke, saw the look of “I-want-to-say-something”, smiled, and coaxed Amy into talking with Bracewell. This would show the Doctor’s understanding of the dynamics and that Amy had the answer. The way it was done is the the Doctor got close, but no cigar, and Amy saved the day. The Doctor must, like a teacher, coax his humans into living up to greater potentials. He did this in the end with Bracewell, he does it with Churchill, and he did it with Amy back on the commons basically saying “Believe in something and do something because the world is going to end in 20 minutes”.

Now the “Spitfires in Space” I’ll allow. I’ll figure that the Daleks gave Bracewell high-tech to make the humans keep him and “make” daleks lure in the Doctor. So he would have made some prototype gravity bubble generators that were lying around waiting to be used. But the big problem is that there was no reason why convincing Bracewell that he was human would stop the detonation of the Oblivion Continuum. If they had hinted that the controlling signal was disrupted by the chaotic humanity they put in the android, and that the more he had human thoughts the more the control signal got disrupted, then maybe. But there was nothing like this. It’s great saying “Being human saves the day” but there has to be evidence.

As for the arcing plotline, I see the Tardis missing its time shifts (5 minutes becomes 2 years; a few seconds becomes a month), and I see Amy not knowing about the Daleks. My wank is that, like the alternate universe with Rose was destroying the universes, the Crack is somehow a slice though multiple dimensions/realities. Amy was actually taken from an alternate timeline where there was no Dalek invasion. The Doctor will have to sort out alternate timelines getting mixed together and sealing the crack across many dimensions. Imagine the Doctor meeting mutiple copies of himself and multiple Amys and multiple villians all having to be sorted back into their timelines and dimensions and then sealing the Crack.

So overall, Matt has a good slapstick quality and keen eye for observation that can be his Doctor’s base. Amy needs to be taught more by the Doctor instead of vice versa; and she needs to stop being taller than everyone :wink:

OK, just finished watching “Victory” online, liked it - even the new iDaleks, but I have a continuity question.
I’m going to assume that everybody is familiar enough with past episodes so that I can forget about the spoiler box for this -

Way back in 2005 (real time), in the episode “Dalek” to be specific, Doctor #9 & Rose travel to future year 2012 and discover the secret bunker of a U.S. trillionaire who collects odd fragments of alien technology that have been discovered here & there on Earth. It is pretty well established in that episode that, as of 2012, alien beings are not generally known to exist. That is, the bulk of the Earth’s population don’t know about them, but there are people in the know who are becoming more aware of them.

Anyway, this obnoxious trillionaire guy has the one & only living alien creature in his captivity. He & his team of super-advanced scientists seem to know NOTHING about this creature, which is (of course) a Dalek. They don’t even know the name ‘Dalek’ - they call it a metal-tron. It is the one & only known ‘metal-tron’ to have ever been seen by human beings.

But later episodes of the series have already established that by 2012, the Earth has experienced two very well-known invasions by Daleks. (That’s in addition to invasions by Slytheens, Syccoraxians, Cybermen, Judoon, Adipose, Sontarans, and a new alien menace every freakin’ Christmas!) The Dalek invasions don’t get dismissed as mass hysteria either as Adelaide Brooke (in “Water of Mars”) recounts “the Stolen Earth” as a well-known historical event, and refers to them specifically as “Daleks”, not “metal-trons.” The Doctor even comments that Amy’s ignorance of the Daleks means that something is very wrong. She SHOULD know what a Dalek is.

So how is it that this Larry Ellison-type guy from “Dalek” in 2012 doesn’t know anything about the Daleks, the Battle of Canary Wharf, or the time the Daleks stole the freakin’ Earth out of its’ orbit?

[ol][]Because of the Rose/Two-Universe problem there are now multiple timelines/dimensions and the Tardis is slipping between them in the Crack.[]The Doctor encountered Ellison between an event that went back and erased those other invasions and an event that went back and restored the invasions.[]Jack had already been there and used his memory pills on them.[]A writing continuity error that will not be resolved.All the nerds were playing an intense session of WoW and didn’t notice the invasions or the stolen earth.[/ol]