Does a sauna or steam room do you any good?

Thank’s for the good answers. I wish to add some things about the Finnish sauna.

  • If you have a migrane that automatically includes muscle tension, sauna might help you. 15 - 30 minutes in a warm (maybe not the hottes possible) sauna always helps me. So does a warm bath, but nowadays I don’t have a bath tub. Attention: in other kinds of migrane sauna may worsen the symptoms.

  • If you have done something that causes tension in your muscles, for example sports or carrying furniture, sauna helps to relax.

  • If you’re tired, haven’t slept well or you are stressed, again sauna might help to relax both your mind and your body. And you might fall asleep easily after sauna.

  • Sunbathing first and having sauna right after that might not be the wisest thing to do if you want to avoid sunburns.

This is all personal and collective experience, I’m a Finn and like to have sauna as often as possible. But not all the Finns like having sauna, as you might guess. :slight_smile:

Link to the column

I’m a bit surprised the way Cecil weighs the pro and cons (actually, I’m surprised that people are afraid of Saunas at all). Obviously, some risk groups: people with high blood pressure, pregnant women, people with the beginning of a cold* shouldn’t go into a sauna.

But this argument:

sounds a bit … reaching. I bet a large group of swimmers who drowned were under the influence of alcohol, too. If you are drunk, you don’t go into the sauna to sweat it out, you go home and lie down. That’s not a reasonable comparision.

Only that nobody serious (dubious sources are a different issue) recommends the Sauna for loosing weight. The general recommendation - which Cecil does mention - is resistance to cold, and the general improvement of circulation, and therefore, immune system.

I am surprised that no studies have been done, because I have heard countless times how good a proper sauna is for general health. Maybe the effects are too intangible to measure - you would have to take blood samples to measure white cells and other immune system data, and not only after one visit, but with people who sauna regularly.

I will try and see if I can find cites, but that will take some time.

  • There’s a small window where you feel a cold coming on, and going to the Sauna can ward it toff, but if you go a bit too late, it’s too stressful for the body and the cold will still start.

I used to steam room or sauna after working out when I went to a gym that had clean steam rooms and saunas.

Some topics not covered in the article:

What about catching something from others who use it? Many men use the steam room naked, walking in with a towel and pulling it off to sit down. Does the superhot steam kill everything they might leave behind, or am I picking it up sitting where they sat?

I hear that the steam/sauna raises your body temperature enough to simulate having a fever, which can kill bad things in your body such as a flu. I don’t know if this is the same as what the article listed as enhancing your resistance to the common cold - I’m not sure how a sauna or steam bath would do that … raising white blood count?

Most people I know who use a steam bath or sauna use it after working out. Does it actually provide relief from muscle aches or other after effects of the workout? What’s providing the benefit? Is it the fact that you’re raising the temperature of the freshly worked out muscle tissue? Or perhaps raising your body temp increases blood flow? Or sweating extra lets you get rid of something? What’s the tie-in to the benefit for someone who just worked out?

I also heard that going from hot sauna to cold shower (and perhaps back and forth a few times) is good for your system because it raises and lowers the body temperature quickly. I heard this from the same friend who lived in Boston and said they used to sit in a hot spa, then run out in the snow and roll around in the snow, then get back in the hot spa again… which sounds like torture to me. Can that be at all healthy?

This article seems like a very Western view. When I lived in Korea, it was very normal to use the public bath (showers, hot/cold dips, jacuzzi, steam room, hot rooms, etc.) as part of the bathing process.

I heard of the benefits second-hand (since I don’t speak Korean,) but the locals believe it helps in many aspects I would consider holistic (e.g. reduce stress, clear pores, chase away mosquitoes, etc.)

What I found is that it helped remove the outer layer of the epidermis made up of dead skin cells by basically boiling it off. Whether this is a good thing or not is debatable (I always thought that layer was your first line of defense against infection) but as I got used to it, I began to enjoy the feeling.

However, removing this layer could just as well be accomplished by that sandpaper-style washcloth that is so popular there, so I don’t think the sauna is a necessary step if removing dead skin is your goal. But, it does seem to make it easier.

Also, while I’m not sure it cleaned my pores, it did make me sweat a lot. I mean, A LOT. Also, my skin had a decidedly different texture as well. While I’m not really sure cleaning my skin by sweating has any actual merit, it did have a pleasant feeling after I got used to it.

My emphasis. That’s not a reasonable assumption when evaluating a Finnish study. Getting really drunk in the sauna is a Finnish national sport.

Now that’s a hot bath.

I don’t understand this, the same as I don’t understand the paranoia about “catching something” from a toilet seat in a public lavatory.

Assuming you don’t have open sores in your buttocks, what on earth do you think you will catch from merely sitting down where someone else has sat? Skin is pretty bacteria-proof, you know.

When properly using a toilet seat, the only parts of your body that touches it are your buttocks - mainly due to a big hole in the middle of the toilet seat.

In saunas I’ve been in, there’s no huge hole - maybe yours are different. They tend to a wooden bench.
In a steam bath, again, no big hole in the middle of the seat. It’s a tile covered step or shelf.

When a big, hairy, fat guy goes in there, whips his towel off, and places his entire bulk upon the seat for 25 minutes and then gets up, I imagine he’s leaving behind more than he would in 5 minutes on a toilet seat.

Personally, I lay a towel down before I sit on either of these surfaces, but not everyone does.

Also, about Cecils’s argument:

“Bad. ‘Almost all (221 of 228) hyperthermia deaths in Finland from 1970 to 1986 took place in saunas’ (same source). This may undermine any confidence derived from the previous item, but perhaps it helps to know most of the overheated dead were middle-aged men under the influence of alcohol — admittedly a pretty large group.”

Seems a bit weird considering the finnish sauna culture. I mean, for the time frame from 1970 to 1986, how many finns went to the sauna? For many, and at that time I would bet on a majority, of families, it is a weekly tradition. It’s also customary to go to a sauna with the boys or the girls and there’s often alcohol involved. So the number of finns who went to sauna in this time period must be in the millions and even for middle-aged drunks it must be in the tens of thousands.

So from that point of view 221 is really a small amount and passing out in the sauna might be the credible explanation (and for Finland, that’s not surprising I guess). And so, the direct cause of death would be sauna, but really the culprit is alcohol. Kinda like passing out in the snow, another classic drunken way to go. Not much sense in blaming the cold really. But this is just speculation. It does seem a bit of a reach to make any assumptions of sauna’s fatality with those numbers.

As it comes to benefits, I guess it does relax the muscles and helps blood circulate at least on account of the heat and I’ve heard that massaging in a sauna works especially well. There was some talk in Finland a while back that jumping to a freezing lake after a hot sauna might cause heart attacks, but I can’t find any references. Does sound a bit of a no-brainer really.

P.S. I’m a finn by the way, so I guess I can be disparaging of finnish culture:confused:

See the following reference:

Landen, Michael G. “Outbreak of boils in an Alaskan village: a case-control study” Western Journal of Medicine 172 (2000): 235-239.

Thanks. This kind of thing is why I always sat on a towel in steam baths and saunas.

I bet you want to keep that towel separated from your other stuff and wash it ASAP - throw it in a plastic bag before tossing it into your gym bag…

Yes, infections were a commonly stated reason some people told me they avoided public baths.

So now a damp towel is an effective barrier against bacteria?

We were expecting death from the blazing heat of the Finnish summer? How likely is hyperthermia in Finland, anyway?

The Alaskan steam bath study is interesting, but I’m not convinced it applies to saunas. I’ll bet germs like moist heat better than dry heat; you’ll catch more diseases in the jungle than the desert.

It’s not only the heat in the steam room, but that the steam room is tiled, and so easy to spray off with a blast of water, which the attendants should do regularly.

I don’t know - though I suspect - that like many other things, steam rooms and saunas are neither regulated nor controlled in the US? That is, the dept. of Public Health or whatever it’s called doesn’t come around regularly to swab surfaces and take samples of the pool water to test for bacteria? That’s what they do in Germany.

I’ve never heard about the similarity to ffever, but I think you misunderstood this. When you have the flu or another sickness, your body makes fever to kill the germs inside your body. However, ** you never go into the sauna when sick** - that could damage your heart or kill you.

What the proper finnish sauna does (I know less about steam rooms, but that may also be because I don’t like them) is to raise your general immune system. Not because the germs are boiled. But first, when you’re in the 90 C heat, your body works hard (by sweating) to keep the temp. Then you go outside and dunk cold water over your body. Now your body works hard to keep the temp. Then you have a lie down and can hear your heart pumping hard from all the exertion.

It’s similar to the Kneipp at home measure of hot-cold showers. Again, by widening and constricting the blood vessels in your skin and making your heart go faster, your body becomes a bit fiter and prepared to better deal with flus. _It doesn’t make you invincible, but it helps.

Another factor is that for most people, the heat feels nice, the cold water refreshing and the lie-down relaxing, so after two or three sessions (max. per day) you go home feeling better … and studies have shown that emotional well-being translates to better immune system (and feeling depressed lowers the effectiveness of the immune system.)

And one way to measure how well your immune system is, is to count white blood cells: low number = immune system down, you are more likely to catch a cold; high number = immune system up, you’re less likely to catch a cold.

Yes, heat improves the circulation by widening the blood vessels. It also helps to relax the muscles which might be sore after over-exertion, and stops them from cramping up. That’s why many sportlers also sit in a hot tub after workout.
If you want the full benefit, you need to do it regularly, though. Once a week at least, twice is better. Of course, if you exercise once or twice a week, and then use the sauna, you’re doing two things that are good for your body and immune system.

It’s not torture at all. I have a low blood pressure and bad circulation and certainly like things to be very warm. I hate cold water on my naked body. But after sitting in the sauna or a hot tub, the cold water is really refreshing. A good sauna offers a variety of cool-downs: a hose, a normal shower, a shower with a wide stream, a bucket to dump at once, and a dunking basin with cold water. I don’t use the basin or the bucket, because that would be too much, but the hose is very good for on-the-spot cooling.

It’s not the body temperature itself that rises and lowers - your body goes to a lot of trouble to keep the body temp. constant. Instead, the body reacts in seconds to constrict the blood vessels from wide open (to radiate heat away) to shut (to keep the warmth in against the cold water). Then, when you lie down, the body slowly goes back to normal. It’s basically an exercise for the blood vessels (and your heart and circulation system).

Please distinguish between steam rooms and sauna! Sauna = wood, only to be used with towel.
Steam room = tile, can be hosed down, besides, dripping wet, can be used without towel.
Actually, if I lie a towel down in the steam room, it would soak up all the icky water that’s on the seat.

Don’t you have a hose hanging inside the steam room so you can hose down the seat yourself?

As for the sauna: if you see people sitting naked on the wood in the sauna, please tell them they are violating basic etiquette, because all their sweat is dripping into the wood. (Is there no properly trained attendant who checks on things regularly?)
Besides, I have a hard time imaging many people doing this because the wood gets very very hot. The air at 90 C is one thing, but the wood keeps heating up the whole day!

As for sauna etiquette, you’re supposed to have two towels (or one towel, one bathrobe) of absorbent fluffy terry-cloth, one in the long length (that’s why Sauna towels are sold seperately, usually at least 1,60 m over 5’).One towel is to lie down on inside so it catches your sweat and prevents burns.
The other one is to towel dry after the showers.
The bathrobe is to lie in during the rest period.
And no swimming costumes! I know Americans are prudish (Several tourists tried to wear swimming costumes in one sauna, but the attendant clearly told them to either take them off or leave), but it really inhibts proper sweating, and also helps the bacteria to have a surface.

As for the Finnish deaths, I wonder how many of those occured in private owned saunas? Because in a public sauna with an attendant, even if you pass out from the alcohol inside the sauna, the attendant should spot you during her regular control walks. But if you are in the sauna in your own basement or backyard, nobody will find you until it’s too late.

But that’s a problem with the management of the bath, not the procedure itself. You can also catch illnesses in the swimming pool, if nobody controls the facility.n That doesn’t mean swimming is unhealthy, it means you need somebody to check things and shut down unsanitory places.

I would fold the towel two times and then sit on it. There wasn’t enough water on the tile to soak through it; it only gets so thick before it falls off the tile. Much more water got on me dripping from the ceiling.

No hose available, although I saw an attachment for one outside the steam room.

Honestly only used the sauna when the steam room was broken, never was in there with another person. Always sat on a towel, didn’t want splinters in my butt. Besides which it’s frigging hot.

Someone (Finnish) once explained to me that what the Finns did was steam themselves like clams, then run out into the snow naked at -30 and roll around, and meanwhile whip themselves with birch branches. Apparently the logic, as many above affirm, is that it feels so good once you stop.

What about the “drain the pores wide open and then slam them shut” logic for how to clean the skin with the hot-then-cold treatment? Is it really effective, or does it actually belong to the “if it hurts it must be good for you” school of sloped-brain, hairy-chested logic?

If acne is caused (usually?) by the oil build-up in the pores hardening, blocking them and causing infections, then I can see saunas as a really effective preventative treatment for that. Never had the occasion to test the theory.

First, md2000, nobody is going to force you to go to the Sauna if you don’t want to, so it’s not necessary to rant against it. Also, a tip on the side: denigrating something if you’ve never tried it and don’t know how it really works makes you look like an idiot.
If you were however interested in the facts themselves, then I suggest next time to leave out the aggressive bitching.

No. Clams are boiled in hot water to cook them, in order to kill them and make the meat tender for eating.

Sauna works with hot 90 C dry 10% air, in order to do something good for your body.

The snow doesn’t have to be -30, that’s not necessary. It just so happens that in the place where the Finns live naturally, it often gets cold in the winter, and the available water is thus frozen into the snow. In order to cool down quickly, you need to roll in the snow. That’s the tradtitional way, but in places where snow doesn’t occur in the winter, a bucket and dunking basin with cold water works also well enough.

If you mean whipping as in ‘beating somebody with a heavy whip to cause pain, like a slave’, then no. In reality, it’s ‘lightly swapping your back with wet birch branches in order to further improve the circulation’. You do it yourself, and it’s optional, just like dousing water on the stones to produce steam is optional (I personally don’t like that).

If you mean ‘it feels good once it stops’ in the sense of ‘hitting myself on the thumb is good once the pain stops’, then no, nobody above said that. Please try reading again. And nobody said that ‘feels good once it stops’ is the main reason or logic for sauna.

I’ll try again to explain the concept in simple words, if that helps you:

1 step: in the sauna: hot air = you sweat (= some poisions might leave the body); your blood vessels widen, and your heart pumps faster, increasing your circulation.
2 step: you cool down with cold water or rubbing with snow: your blood vessels constrict quickly, your body adapts to sudden change of temperature
3 step: laying down: your body takes time to relax again, heart beat slows down, rest.

The sudden change between temps., and the widening/ constriction of blood vessels, is what trains the body and prepares it for the sudden changes you encounter in winter (going from outside to inside). Without training these sudden changes make you more vulnerable to catch the germs that cause cold.

The additional feeling of well-being - well you have to experience for yourself, I would say, if you didn’t have such a hate towards Sauna that I don’t want people with your attitude around when I go Saunaing. Personally, after 2 cycles (enough for me), when I dress, I feel like radiating heat, because my usually sluggish circulation (esp. in winter, with low blood pressure and sitting in the office, standing in the cold) has started moving around, reaching every nook and little toe of my body. I feel fresh and rested at the same time.

Just because you don’t believe it, doesn’t mean that other people don’t experience it.

Nobody said anything about skin cleaning or pore draining. If you want to clean your skin, you use soap and water. In fact, that’s step 0: when you come into the Sauna, you take a warm shower with soap, to clean the dirt and old sweat from your body and to warm your body up to the Sauna. (It’s very important to towel completly dry before entering the hot room, because otherwise your sweating is inhibited).
And the blood vessels aren’t ‘wide open and slammed shut’ - these aren’t doors or something. Blood vessels widen and constrict all the time - whenever you go from a cold room into the hot air outside (summer) or from the cold air into a warm room (winter), whenever your exercise or otherwise raise or lower your temperature, your body adapts. So the Sauna is simply training - exercise. Strenghtening that mechanism so your body is better at the response.

I’m not sure - is sloped-brain an insult towards asians, or are your referring to Neanderthals? Because I’ve never heard of Neanderthals having Saunas, though the Finns claim they have had them for 20 000 years or so.

As for being effective - I was surprised that Cecil found no studies, because in Europe, it’s well known that regular Saunaing (at least once a week, done proper, of course) is better for your health. It’s better at warding of colds, but there is no guarantee, if you mean that. There’s only that people who do it get less colds than others, if you can control all the other factors also influencing suspectability to cold.

While it’s not a full argument in itself, it certainly does suggest something that many different cultures use heat as preventive health measure:
The Finns have the Sauna
The Turks have the Steam bath
The ancient Greeks and Romans had their warm baths
The native Americans had their steam tents
The Japanese have hot baths
(And the Americans love to sit in hot tubs and whirlpools)

I’m not a dermatologist, but that’s not what I’ve heard. The major cause for acne (90% of cases, I think) is the hormonal inbalance and fluctuations in teens, that cause excessive production of fat in the skin, which clogs the pores. When then old skin cells get trapped in the pores, bacteria settle down to digest the skin cells.

It’s not simply a matter of washing the face regularly, as every afflicted teen can tell you. And dermatologists will tell you that acne will clear up on its own in most cases when the hormones settle down, which is at last at age 25. (which is of course no help at all to a 17 year old who wants to date but looks like apizza face (streusel cake)).

There might be a side effect that the widening of the pores due to the sweating helps better than normal washing. I’ve never had the opportunity to test it, either.