Does anyone here practice Jainism or is familiar with its tenets? I have some questions

I am a motorcoach operator in Texas. That means I drive a big ol’ bus for a charter company. A couple of weeks ago, I had a truly delightful, but unusual group of passengers. Another driver and I took about 95 Jains from one temple to another, then went to a farm, then brought them back to the temple where we started. So, the cast here is 2 drivers (I’m white, the other guy African-American, if that matters) and about 95 Indian folks who practice the faith of Jainism.

First of all, these were some of the most pleasant and polite people I have ever worked with in my six years driving a charter bus. Without exception, they were all simply wonderful and courteous in every possible way. This was true for the youngest children to the most elderly adult.

Prior to this trip, I had no experience with Jains. I don’t think I had even heard of this faith tradition, even though I have known various Indian people throughout my life. While I have no interest in pursuing this faith, I am fascinated. Please understand that none of my questions are meant to be taken as any sort of disrespect to anyone. Jainism isn’t my thing, but that doesn’t mean I have to “yuck someone else’s yum”, so to speak.

From a dietary perspective, I learned that Jains do not eat meat of any sort and do not eat root vegetables. They have a profound respect for all living things and abhor violence to any creature, including micro-organisms. The meat prohibition seems pretty obvious to me, but the bit about root vegetables is two-fold: uprooting the potato (for example) kills the plant entirely. Preparing the potato to eat kills the micro-organisms that are prevalent in plants that grow under the ground.

Okay.

So, my questions:

  • Can a person who practices Jainism go to the doctor for an illness? Since an antibiotic kills micro-organisms making a person sick, is this considered violence on a living thing? What do Jains do when they get sick?
  • What about vaccines? Some vaccines include a killed virus. Others include a live virus which is subsequently killed by the human’s antibodies. Can Jains receive vaccinations? What about mRNA vaccines, which do not introduce any form of a virus into the person?
  • Can a Jain become a physician?

Regarding plants:

  • While picking an ear of corn (for example) does not kill the plant, modern farming often does. After the harvest, a farmer will plow under the crop and plant new seed for the next season. A second yield of most plants does not yield enough to be financial worthwhile (as I understand it). So, how do Jains feel about this sort of thing?
  • Cotton is another plant. Harvesting cotton does not have to kill the plant, but, again, a second yield is not profitable, so the harvested plants are destroyed and new seed planted for the next season. Yet Jains clearly wear cotton fabrics. Is the cotton used to make fabrics for Jains harvested in a way that does not destroy the plants?

What is the deal with cows? One of our stops was a farm where the Jains interacted with cows. They brushed them, hand fed them, and even “cuddled” with them. Unlike most cows in Texas, these cows were not destined for slaughter.

Finally, at the end of the evening, our passengers gave us very generous tips. They also gave us each a gift. I don’t understand the gift. The gift consisted of a sheet of white fabric, almost like a bedsheet, though not very soft. There was also a smaller piece of fabric, like a dinner napkin. Finally, there was a mesh bag like one would use to launder “delicates” in the washing machine. All of this came wrapped in a reusable grocery sack from a local chain of supermarkets. I don’t know what to do with this gift. Is it symbolic of something? I am honored that they thought of us and their praise of our efforts getting them safely to their destinations was effusive. I don’t know what to do with this gift.

I am always amazed at the breadth of experiences on the SDMB. I hope some Dopers can help me make sense of some of this. If I ever have the opportunity to work with a Jain group, I will jump at the chance.

Yes, saving the life is paramount.

Yes, in fact many are Doctors.

Mind you taking antibiotics is a step to be taken under serious consideration, Jainism Doctors would not be guilty of over prescribing antibiotics.

I am not a real Doctor, nor an expert on this beyond a couple courses in comparative religion. I dont know about the gifts, for example

I’m a practicing Theravadan Buddhist and I’m familiar with Jain traditions, so I’ll try to answer your questions with the caveat that I have not practiced or been educated in Jainism.

Jains can certainly go to the doctor. Antibiotics are undesirable and would be avoided by most Jains. In an emergency (such as if the patient were unconscious) having antibiotics administered by someone else is much less harmful karma (lack of intention), but would probably still cause upset and acts of asceticism.

Jains avoid vaccines that contain living or dead viruses. mRNA vaccines are a new technology, so I haven’t heard any opinions on it, but in general most of the Jains I have known avoid vaccines in general.

Absolutely, and it considered good livelihood by benefitting others. Some of their practices would be different (e.g. not prescribing or administering antibiotics and vaccines)

Ecology and non-possessiveness are central tenets of Jainism along with non-violence. Jains often farm their own food, so just about any kind of produce or crop that was commercially farmed is to be avoided because of the possibility of it causing harm (pesticides, etc.) In fact this principle is closely related to the gifts you received.

I have less expertise in this area, but an educated guess is that cow veneration is derived from Hindu traditions (as are most Indo-Aryan religious practices). The fact that they were not for slaughter made them venerable, and most likely it was the reason they stopped there for a visit.

As I noted above, Jains are encouraged to engage in production that causes no harm to living beings. They farm silk without harming the silkworms. They grow cotton as well. Weaving is a common industry in Jain communities and the gifts are an expression of non-violence. Gift giving is encouraged as a way of encouraging sustainable products that cause no harm. There’s not a specific thing to use your gifts for, but they should be used however they may be useful to you. I have several of them in my dresser drawer that I sometimes use as a handkerchief.

I tried to keep my answers general and without a bunch of terminology from the Pali language, but if you have questions or need more specificity I’ll do my best.

Wow–thanks so much for this thread! Very interesting. One of the things I love about this board.

I am not, but my good friend is, and my main takeaway is he refers to a family wedding he went to with only 300 people as a small wedding :slight_smile:

Regardless of religion, Indian weddings are (in)famous for taking a week and involving a figurative cast of thousands.

And not just for wealthy folk. Sure the wealthy throw more elaborate parties. But folks of more ordinary means also go big, not go home.

Yeah I have a few Indian friends, but Jain weddings are at another level even by those standards, apparently. My friend says part of it is they don’t evangelize and insist on marrying within the religion (or encourage it, my friend is a bachelor and his brother married a Romanian woman, and no one was skimping on those nuptials). So if they do have an actual Jain marriage, between a Jain bride and groom, it’s a big deal.

As a bus driver, I have also participated in an Indian wedding. (Many people from a variety of cultures charter buses for their wedding party or guests so that there is not a worry about drunk driving or other problems.) I was invited in to partake of the food and it was stunning. It just went on and on. The wedding guests were bedecked in amazing clothing. It was a truly memorable experience, just going in briefly to make a plate. I didn’t even see the actual nuptials.

Thank you, everyone, for a nice conversation.

Note that in Jainism, Alcohol is forbidden.

Judging solely on the menu, the Indian wedding I attended was certainly not a Jain celebration.

Now the OP has been addressed, one thing the Jains do (or did, I am refering to ancient buildings) really well is architecture - even by Indian standards.

I was fortunate to visit Ranokpur, a large Jain temple in Rajasthan

ETA, spelling - “Ranakpur”

Wow. Both the temples I visited appeared to be rented spaces in industrial neighborhoods. They certainly weren’t anything so spectacular.

How strict / ascetic is the general Jain community in India? There’s gonna be someone who is a Sadhu, and someone who – mostly – follows the dietary rules, but how far out can you fall and still be part of the community? What are the young people doing?