Does denouncing tin-foil hattery make you blind to possible conspiracies?

If he didn’t have 2 daughters, I would rush to his defense and speculate that he probably lacks the equipment to rape women.

Now that this fell through, it’s still most unlikely, as raping someone and killing them to coverup doesn’t seem to be his style at all: If it had been a Bush plan, I’d expect a higher death toll, a reason that doesn’t make sense and perhaps some sort of nudge to weapons of mass destruction (the woman’s fridge could potentially be used to store and conserve bio weapons) .

Conclusion: Tin foil hattery, but Bush is still a poor representative for mankind.

It’s really not very magical. At the time of the shot, any bullet going from Oswald’s position, through Kennedy’s neck, would pretty much have to hit Connally around his right shoulder blade. Conversely, if you assume that this bullet went in a straight line through Kennedy’s neck and hit Connally in the shoulder blade, and ask where the shooter had to be, the answer is: high in the Southeast corner of the TSBD. What about this is “magical”?

I see this term “tinfoil hat crowd” bandied about as a strawman, a term of easy dismissal, and slander all too often…“Oh, your one of those!” Frankly, it is demonstrative of an opposite but equally closeminded desperation to hang onto a view that matches the endemic, hyperrational and boring convention of this board. It is the irrationality of extreme rationality.
Let’s look at the term “tinfoil hat”.
It is true that there are natural and manmade eminations of EM that are constantly bombarding us. We are natural conductors and delicate electrical devices subject to biological and accompanying perceptual alteration by certain frequencies of EM, ranging from negligible effects to mortal damage at a cellular level. It stands to reason that there are people who are sensitive to and effected by these eminations.
There are ways to shield from and deflect EM, most often involving a metallic shield. Following this reasoning is it ignorant, crazy, or otherwise irrational for a person to protect themselves or find relief through an EM shield? Other than it might look ridiculous ( there are, however, stylish alternatives)or offend your sensiblities.
It’s easy to dismiss a tinfoil hat, but it’s efficacy and science are sound.

I struggle to ascertain whether your post was serious, devilsknew (with a usernam like that, you could well be your own advocate), but the graph for the stylish “tinfoil baseball cap” was outright laughable. It shows the E-M level at different frequencies without comparison!. Are we supposed to think that because the graph tails off the cap is “working”?

Short of putting your head in a microwave oven, E-M radiation does not affect brain function.

I first read Illuminatus in the late '70s and followed it up with several of the books mentioned in it. This was all very amusing since I’ve rarely met a conspiracy theory I didn’t like, though the ones I suspected to be true were considerably rarer. Then in 1982 there was the Calvi murder and the very public scandal that followed that tied international banks, the Vatican, the Mafia, and P2, a Masonic lodge that is still the club to join if you want to be big in any Italian government. I was stunned since it was looking like these nutjobs I had been reading had managed to be right–something very like the Illuminati existed! Since then I have made it a point to keep my mind open, though most conspiracies are just lunacy.

Meat, Dr. Michael Persinger has experimental proof that Electromagnetic Radiation does in fact affect brain function.

He further contends and hypothesizes…

Personally (as someone who is interested in some fringe topics), I find the whole “tin-foil hat” message board tactic sad and annoying. I think there needs to be a rule that does for “tin-foil hat” what Godwin did for blithely bringing up the Nazis and Hitler in any discussion.

And yes, I realize that Godwin is DESCRIBING the condition of things–“As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one”–but the existence of this law also has made people more aware that comparing something/-one to the Nazis is often a cop-out. Thus, people will “call Godwin” on a poster, shaming them. I say we should call people who similarly cop out with “tin-foil hat” accusations.

“…being labile is itself a fluctuating condition.”

Damn straight.
The really cool thing about tinfoil hats, though, is that if you wear one just before the vernal equinox, you can sometimes pick up Tijuana radio stations on your back fillings.

Was watching a channel 4 documentary last nite on 11/9/01 conspiracy theories.
All the usual ones were described and proved to be caca.

However - the lasting point of the program seemed to be - if you dont have “foil hatters” comming up with this stuff, then a lot of questions, which should be answered dont get asked. Dont throw the baby out with the bathwater.

So as much as some conspiracies seem utterly ridiculous to the majority of folk, the fact that they are there, means we have an extra layer of questioning for any large, impressive or terrible event. This has to be a good thing. By extension - no group is going to try to fool us all - they would get found out.

Are journalists not worse or at least on a par with “foil hatters” ? At least a hatter will pin his colours to the mast and say “this is what i belive because of xx, xxx, and xxxx”, whereas a journo just has to imply something interesting is going on behind the scenes - without any evidence.

Conspiracy theory is just the opposite end of the same wedge that neigbourhood gossip lives on. Journalists are somewhere in the middle - but probably the least honest about thier intensions.

Would the world be better if no-one questioned anything? No - it would be shocking. To condem conspiracy theorists is to condem the asking of questions - they are a nessesary evil.

Am i making any sense? My head hurts. The foil is just too tight…

Sin

The only time I’ve heard the name ‘Persinger’ was in relation to debunking blatant pseudoscience - perhaps to you direct me to any work he’s had published in peer reviewed journals?

Oh - nearly forgot - if you fancy a bit of EM protection then thry this:

http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html

Class.

Sin

One thing’s for sure: Tin foil hats are a better fashion statements than asshats :slight_smile:

It’s clear that the larger the conspiracy is, the less time it will take for someone to start talking. But remember that small conspiracies can be kept quiet for a while.

20 years ago, imagine I had told you that the U.S. government exposed people to radiation without their knowledge to study the effects. You would surely label me as part of the tin-foil brigade. But it happened. The story didn’t have much public exposure until the early 90’s, about 60 years after the experiments took place.

Similarly, it took 38 years for the secret of the
Tuskegee experiment to come out.

Here are several links.
Dr. Michael Persinger
http://laurentian.ca/admn/GRAD_STUDY/FACPUBLICATIONS/PSYCHOLOGY/mpersinger.html
untitled http://www.seanharribance.com/scienart.html

and if you think mind control is not theoretically possible, read this…
http://www.mindspring.com/~txporter/persemf.htm

btw, they do alter the brain electromagnetically with a technique commonly known as Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation (TMS), it seems to be a pretty common and widely accepted experimental and medical technique.