And… Miranda Barbour’s has been so associated? I’m sorry, but I don’t get your point. I’m looking at documented cases where, indeed, young people kill many with accompanying rituals and claim Satanic motivation.
You don’t think that’s related?
:shrug: Ok.
Do you remember back to the OP? I think my latest posts have been just about the most relevant thing to it.
I read this a few years ago about the satanic abuse craze* that went through the UK after the USA was done with it.
IIRC there were plenty of signs of abuse in some cases - either mental, pyhsical or sexual but no evidence to indicate any kind of connection to satanism.
- if we were discussing UFO’s it would be a ‘Flap’
Oh, those poor people… 
Well, that was kinda my point. I don’t see how the Night Stalker is all that relevant to the OP not because I disagree with you but because I’m still not seeing that anything is relevant to the OP. But if we’re picking nits, Ramirez was a crazy person claiming to be personally influenced by Satan. The gal mentioned in the OP is a crazy person claiming to have run some sort of organized satanic cult, which then becomes the grist for the rest of the OP.
But then, I am a DAFT ONE, after all.
The point is that even omitting all the obvious cases where accusations of Satanism were false, (McMartin’s, etc.), what we find among the rest are people with psychoses who blame their actions on Satanism when there is no evidence that they were actually motivated by a genuine belief in Satan (or a genuine coven or whatever). In other words, Satanism is nothing more than a prop for some other fantasy in their head and not the inspiration for their behavior.
With that track record, there is no particular reason to believe that anyone has ever been motivated by an actual belief in Satan, regardless how many people actually engage in occult practices or beliefs.
I do. I will go so far as to say that he has not existed since October 29, 1997. Death flips the switch from “exists” to “doesn’t exist.”
You recognized your sin, so you are already fitting in here, my child, and you performed your penance with the :smack:. Go and sin no more.
Well let’s think about it.
If you’re facing harsh punishment for serious crimes, how do you best attempt to mitigate your punishment and get the court to go easy on you?
You blame others. You claim to be a part of a group. You ‘cut a deal’ to provide information so that they can prosecute others.
And on the other hand, in the very Christian USA, full of ignorant bumpkins who still believe the Sun revolves around the Earth*, how do you reach out from your jail cell and frighten the hell out of people, thus still having some fun? You claim it involves Satan or demonic possession, or Cults. Or all three.
- 1 in 4, according to a recent survey. :smack:
I should add that such a thing could also be a play for power in the jail. She’s nothing, really. But if some of her guards are afraid of her because of it, if some of the other prisoners are afraid of it because of her, then she has power where she otherwise would be powerless.
You’ve stopped just short of the point: Ramirez HAD killed all those people. His case equals hers, and then they found the bodies.
Also, I’m not sure you can divine whether someone was motivated by a genuine belief in Satan. What makes you sure that Ramirez was no Satanist?
Throw holy water on him, see if he ignites.
He was, in his own mind. But not in the organized, cultish way the OP seems to be discussing.
I think this is important. After Reagan got shot, we didn’t worry about the national threat of people attracted to Jodi Foster. After the Son of Sam was caught, we didn’t freak out about people who thought dogs could talk. And Ramirez shouldn’t make us worry about the threat of murderous Satanists.
Crazy murderers are crazy. They have all sorts of idiosyncratic nutjob explanations for why they murder. That doesn’t mean much, except maybe we need to do a better job identifying and treating mental illness.
If it turns out that there are organized people who, under their religious bailiwick, are committing and covering up heinous child abuse, then sure, we need to sue the Catholic church for all its worth. But there’s no evidence whatsoever that something similar is going on with any group of Satanists.
True enough. We didn’t have a national scare over the idea of God telling women to kill their kids a year or three back.
Yes, aboves, I see your points and the distinction you’re making.
“Next on CNN: Is God telling women to murder their children? Experts weigh in, and tell us how you can protect your own children from a bloodthirsty God”
“Well Wolf, the Christian Bible does tell us that God told Abraham to kill his own son, so clearly, this sort of thing has been known to happen.”
“Next on Fox: President Obama’s continuing assault on Religious Liberty. Women being sent to prison for obeying the Word of God!”
Let’s compare experiences.
I know a few members of the Neo-Luciferian Church.
The Church has its own Facebook profile, just like many clubs, organizations, etc. But the members themselves do not seem to have “alternate facebook profiles,” and certainly not of the extravagant kind you mention, with “blood dribbling down the lips” and whatnot.
So, the fellas you mention. If you can’t link to these mysterious “alternate facebook profiles,” could you at least tell us which magical orders / secret societies / whatever they belong to?
Almost right. His exact words were “Ayn Rand with trappings.” 
Right. There is a worldwide network of satantic cults commiting horrific acts and the FBI investigation could not find one piece of evidence. Is the FBI in on it?
Well, of course. It’s a federal agency, isn’t it? Just look at the Great Seal.
Oh god, it’s right on our monnnnnnnnnneeeeeeey!
Sure. “FBI” actually stands for Fiendish Bureau of the Inferno.