I’m told I have a Roman nose.
Roamin’ all over my face.
I really do have Roman toes.
I’m told I have a Roman nose.
Roamin’ all over my face.
I really do have Roman toes.
I think that Christian anti-Semites tend to see Jesus as wholly divine and “transcendant” to his Jewish ancestry. Don’t look for logic or consistency.
The idea that Jesus was a Jew is just a lie spread by International Jewish Conspiracy. They laugh about it in their meetings, I’ll bet. It’s kinda like if somehow the NAACP convinced the Klan that the KKK was started by a black dude.
Jesus was really a blonde Catholic Anglo-Saxon.
And He spoke English, too.
(I don’t think I’m going to Hell for that…I do believe that God/Jesus has a sense of humor!)
Cool! I thought maybe that was from Springtime For Hitler or something.
Actually, Jesus spoke Russian.
Well, why did you think he always talked in red?
Probably not.
One of my favorite priests likes to shock beatas (holier-than-thou women) by reminding them that Jay and Co were jews. He then proceeds to explain that the Catholic Church is actually a heretic branch of the jewish religion. No beatas have needed an ambulance called, so far.
I’ve been known to shock protobeatas (holier-than-thou 12 year old girls) in a summer camp by reminding them that changing the freaking roll of toilet paper is a duty and that Our Lady would have been very, very happy to be able to use Mr. Scott’s invention rather than her own left hand. They ran to the priest (different priest) in horror and he confirmed my version, adding that Thou Shalt Change The Toilet Paper should be the 14th commandment or so.
My brother is up to here of people who explain that “since the life expectancy at birth in those days was about 30, Jesus was actually an old man” or “well, since people married so young and He could have been a grandfather, Jesus was an old man”. ARRRRGH! He was old enough to be taken seriously, but nowhere near ‘a whitebeard’.
Since Gibson is a big time beato (I mean, in Spain we make the joke about people being “more catholic than Rome”, but this guy actually thinks he is!), I wouldn’t be surprised to hear he thinks Moses was a Christian 
Not Herod, Pontius Pilates. The Jews objected and he basically told them to bugger off.
Herod was a Jew too, he kissed Roman ass but that didn’t make him a Roman.
Do we want some actual discussion here?
The reasoning behind “C’tian anti-Semitism” (and I hate the fact that such a term must exist):
1.) YES, Jesus, His Mom, His step-dad & all His best buddies were Jews…
2.) BUT the Jewish leadership actively opposed him, even to the point of collaborating with the Romans against Him & later against the Apostles…
3.) AND the bulk of the Jewish people gradually sided with their anti-JC leadership
to the point they brought down Divine judgement upon themselves in the form
of the Roman siege of 70 A.D., destroying their Temple, priesthood & nation…
4.) SO God transferred His “Chosen People/spiritual Israel” title to the Christians
and rejected the Jews as His Chosen People until their eventual conversion in the End Times…
5.) THUS, certain bodies of Jews have existed througout history as dedicated
enemies of JC & His Church & Christendom, and C’tians must continually be
on guard against them & keep non-C’tian Jews from gaining too much wealth, power or influence, ALTHOUGH as the Jewish people do have a prophetic destiny, their existence must be preserved but they can’t be allowed to get too comfortable.
NOW- I agree with points 1-3, but 4, tho it can be argued from New Testament
texts, is not a necessary interpretation from them. Rather it can be argued (as
Christian Zionists & philo-Semites such as myself do) that God graciously included
C’tian Gentiles among “Israel” but still has a purpose for the continuation of
national Israel & that C’tians should be good to them as spiritual cousins who
have gotten off track.
And of course, point 5 is where a seemingly slight theological deviation in point 4 resulted in The Church/Christendom going totally bonkers. Yes, in the early centuries of the Roman Empire, there was very real hostility from the Synagogues
to the Churches, which the Churches returned with interest, totally against the
commands of their Lord & Savior. Thus emerged the myth of the Jewish Conspiracy.
You do the workout, then wash your hands of it?
European anti-Semitism had a pretty lengthy pedigree by then. Transitory economic circumstances may have been used by Hitler & Co. to aggravate anti-Semitism, but the underlying anti-Semitism had little to do with economics.
Bill O’Reilly and Geraldo Rivera are upset at you folks for dumping on Mel:
You bloodsucking vampires, you. ![]()
Reasonable persons may differ in their opinions. Let’s clarify: Jews don’t agree with this.
(Brilliant!)
Sailboat
Perhaps I should have said you nailed it!
Sailboat
I thought it was clear I was laying out step-by-step the process of C’tian anti-Semitic sentiment. And I made it clear that while I as a C’tian philo-Semite agreed with Points 1-3, I differed with Point 4, and vehemently disagreed with Point 5.
[Sarcasm]I suspect that “thoughtful” anti-Jewish Christians work with the idea that Christ was born to Jews, but wasn’t really a Jew, since the Immaculate Conception/JWHW Virtual Sperm/IVF procedure “cancelled out” his default Jewishness.[Sarcasm]
Or something like that.
Thanks for clarifying. When I read it, despite your framing of it, your phrasing sounded to me like statements of fact, which they may be for you or others.
However, because Jews don’t agree that the Temple was destroyed because they sided against Jesus, and don’t agree that they lost their Chosen status, it seemed important to me to identify this. As I said, reasonable people may disagree.
It doesn’t mean he has to LIKE it.
Alas, I have actually seen that argument- from ultra-Traditionalist pre-Vat II Catholic sources AND also Christian Identity lunatics.
Tho neither of those are as virulently anti-Semitic as Houston Stewart Chamberlain, who took the term “Galilee of the Gentiles” literally, discounting
much of a significant Jewish population there & also imputed Christ’s paternity to
the proud Aryan Roman soldier Pantera.