Does today's unanimous Senate approval of a permanent DST bill mean it's a fait accompli?

UTC for all!

Sorry, I meant to say, DST as in the system. I’m all for switching to one and sticking with it.

Our local TV station has a daily “weather wise” question the meteorologist asks the co-anchors, kind of an educational thing like “when you’re looking at the clouds and describing shapes you see, what type of cloud are you looking at?” or something like that.

One morning the week before the clocks changed, the question was “how much more daylight will we have Sunday compared to Saturday?” Even though it was a multiple-choice question, both anchors cheerily responded “Why, an hour, of course.”

The actual answer was 2 minutes and 50 seconds. :man_facepalming:

OK, then I guess the answer is a minority of us (16%), including me, until a couple years of DST and waking up for months in the dark who decide, shit, what did I sign up for? Apparently Russia tried playing around with this in 2011 much to same result, switching back in 2014 to the normal flip-flopping of clocks twice a year (though their northern areas are much more extreme in terms of darkness in the winter with the higher latitudes.) I’d like to keep it as it is – I didn’t even notice there was a time change on Sunday. I had completely forgotten about it and just thought I slept in until Monday morning radio reminded me there was a time change the day before. I’ll be fine with DST year-round if that’s what everyone settles on, but I suspect there may be some buyer’s remorse.

Is it? All of my devices change the time on their own.

I wonder how many devices that change automatically can’t be updated to the new standard for one reason or another, such as the manufacturer going out of business? I’d venture to guess that changing those devices back to DST in the fall would be at least as annoying as flipping older devices manually, especially if they insist that they should be on Standard Time (probably not a common scenario, but I imagine it could happen).

The auto-update devices do so because they are connected to wifi or something. They aren’t hard programmed. The exact day that the clocks change has been altered a few times over the years.

I foresee the same problem as @puzzlegal. It’s light in the morning that seems to affect seasonal affective disorder. I’m concerned said disorder will increase, and that there will be subclinical manifestations.

Driving in the dark will happen either way. But you’d think the business lobbyists would prefer standard time, to avoid the possible loss of productivity due to depressive symptoms.

Plus it’s not like it getting dark at 5:30 PM or so really gives you much time to actually do anything in the daylight during winter.

Nah. In the 70’s the change was made in January so it was was more abrupt. Under this plan, we will have a Fall back in November and a Spring forward in a year from now and that will be it. We just won’t change things again in November of '23. People will barely notice.

I meant having the clocks change is annoying. Having your schedule disrupted by an hour.

But also, all of them? My microwave and car and stove and the analog clocks with hands don’t update on their own.

I don’t think it’s the abruptness that was the problem. But I guess we’ll find out!

All of them? Other than my phone, tablet, and computer, the only thing that auto-updates the time is the weather station. All the clocks, and the microwave, and the car, need a hand.

I don’t have a car or any analog clocks, and I can’t recall the last time I’ve needed to look at the microwave to find out what time it is. (In any event, it usually says the time is 0:01 because I always open the door just before the loud annoying beeper goes off.)

Changing clock’s ain’t a big deal. But here’s the clocks that I had to change: My car. My wife’s car. My oven. My microwave. My bedroom wall clock. My living room wall clock. So six, and there’s probably at least one I’ve forgotten. (If I wore a watch, that would be another one, but I don’t wear a watch.) Oh, wait, just thought of three: on my camera bodies; important when I’m syncing to other photographers. That one only minority counts, though, as I re-sync before any assignment other photographers are involved in. ETA: Oh, yeah, a clock radio in the basement in my wife’s office. Of course, I’m one of those who keeps wanting to change the clocks during the seasons so sunlight is available at more useful times (to me), but there’s a lot of clocks I have to change.

Indiana quit daylight saving time for decades due to business pressure. The businesses? Drive-in movie theaters.

I worked the midnight-to-8 shift for several years in the mid-1970s. Given the nature of our work (weapons development, inter alia) we didn’t call it “graveyard shift”. We called it “Owl shift”.

We got paid hourly. On spring-forward night, the shift was only 7 hours long, but we got paid for the full 8 hours. On fall-back night, the shift was 9 hours long, but we got paid for 8 hours. Everybody seemed satisfied with that.

I think the optimal solution to this whole debate is to have clocks that require manually resetting, but that make it easy to do so. These clocks all have different ways to reset. One clock, you have to key in the full time (hour and minute). Another one, I just have to press the “hour set” button once to move it forward an hour, but 23 times to set it back an hour. On those that require me to enter the full time, it’s a PITA to get them all set to the same second – I’ve got all of mine set to within 5 or less seconds of each other, but it’s rather a PITA to do every time.

So here’s what should be build into every clock: A simple switch to set it to Standard or Daylight mode, or a button to toggle it, or a menu option to do so. Flipping it each way would be a quick and simple operation, changing the hour by one hour without disturbing the minutes or seconds. All modern electronic clocks could do this.

In fact, my last (now defunct) microwave over had such a setting in one of its menus.

The whole point being, make it quick and easy to change your clocks to/from Standard/Daylight time.

But unless you are working at 2am, how does it disrupt your schedule by an hour? It happens when most people are asleep.

Not a popular opinion, but people are going to have to do SOMETHING in the freaking dark, end of day, beginning of day, does it really freaking matter, IT IS FREAKING GOING TO BE DARK AT ONE END OR THE OTHER.

Because all the things you have to do the next day happen according to the clock, which has shifted, but your circadian rhythm takes a few days to catch up.

Do people not understand that the annoying part of the time change is (mostly) not physically changing clocks? It’s that you get an hour less sleep! It’s like a small jetlag twice a year.

Another minor annoyance is that sometimes you forget to change one clock and it’s the one you look at at some point and then are late/early to something. But that’s a lot less of a problem now that we all carry auto-updating clocks in our pockets.