Does today's unanimous Senate approval of a permanent DST bill mean it's a fait accompli?

Yes. And we have generally collectively decided that it’s much better to spend dark time at the end of the day than at the beginning because we are biologically inclined to align our wake cycle with the onset of sunlight.

And that results in higher accident rates for a week or two after it happens. And a couple other bad things which I can’t remember off-hand. But that’s the real reason to stop changing the clocks, rather than the inconvenience.

It seems that may be so.

Full title: Sleep experts say Senate has it wrong: Standard time, not daylight saving, should be permanent

I can’t say that the change is big enough for me to have ever noticed physically at all.

Some (most) of us don’t have a fixed work schedule and have to get “a small jetlag” three or four times a week, so you’ll forgive my lack of empathy for those who are so lucky as to only have to deal with it twice a year.

They should just abolish solar time entirely and go with UTC. Local municipalities can just say “work and school starts at 3PM because that’s when the sun rises here.”

I absolutely agree with this. Standard time is meant to more or less relate to the position of the sun in the sky. Daylight Saving time is a purely artificial perversion of that in order to provide what some perceive as summertime benefits. I’m fine with the present system, and I could accept permanent Standard time, but permanent DST is the work of Satan. So is sunshine at 9:30 at night unless you’re in the high Arctic.

I’m not exactly crazy about permanent Standard Time either - here in WA we’d have daybreak around 3 AM in June.

Working in schools taught me that there is a significant number of parents who don’t want their kids traveling to school in the dark. Our elementary students are here by 8:00 am and, for a couple of months a year, the sun doesn’t rise until then if you keep DST. Many high schools have kids arriving at 7:30 or even 7:00 am.

It’s clear that it effects some people much more than others. I’ve heard others on this board say it takes them weeks to adjust. Me? I’m like you. I didn’t even realize there was a change this weekend (as in, literally did not know until Monday – I was not at home to see some clocks off my iPhone clock). Some of us are just much more used to adjusting to time changes (because we travel or used to travel a lot, across multiple time zones, or because of, as mentioned, shifting work schedules). Or our bodies are just different biologically (I don’t have anything resembling a normal sleep schedule in terms of when I go to sleep, say. It may be 10 p.m.; it may be 1 a.m. I don’t feel sleepy at a consistent hour. I have to wake up at 6:30, though, so that’s controlled by the alarm, but on weekends when I don’t have a set time to wake up, it can vary from 5:30 to 8:30 a.m.)

Yes, except let’s get rid of AM/PM as well. So school starts at 15:00 here in California.

I guess I’m an outlier. I HATE having it already light out when I get up. Even dawnish. I’ve been getting up in the pitch black for at least 30 years. So does my Wife.

This is garbage and just a boondoggle so Congress can pretend they’re doing something to help Americans. The only reason it passed unanimously in the Senate is because either:
A. The overlords don’t mind
B. There’s a deal for the House not to pass it

Can’t there be a permanent time setting for something in between DST and standard?

I’d much prefer a permanent move to Local Solar Time. It was good enough for my great-great-grand-pappy so it’s good enough for me.

And another thing! Maybe we could get more time to do stuff after work/before sunset if we had more reasonable work schedules or a little more time off or a 4-day work week. That’s what IMO would lead to health and quality of life improvements for millions of Americans, but that will never happen because corporations are against it.

It’s the Rufus T. Firefly approach:

“The Department of Labor wishes to report that the workers of Freedonia are demanding shorter hours.”
“Very well, we’ll give them shorter hours. We’ll start by cutting their lunch hour to 20 minutes.”

I can’t speak for everyone, but personally, it is a lot harder for me psychologically to get going in the morning if it is still dark (and, probably, colder) out than if it’s daylight. Darkness later in the day, once I’m up and moving, doesn’t bother me.

Yea, but then there would be more train crashes.

And yet the US has time zones that are more than an hour wide, but somehow that is fine while the loss of the flip back and forth between DST and standard is unworkable and will never stand?

I don’t know how many people live on the edge of those timezones and have lots more darkness in the morning, but it’s a tiny fraction of the people who will have lots more darkness in the morning if we stay on DST in winter.