He doesn’t seem to mind being saddled with the Justice Dept’s complete failure to prosecute any higher-ups in the 2007 bank collapse.
Is there any evidence George Zimmerman is a racist? This seems to be an underlying assumption and its not that clear to me.
Actually, based on the direction you appear to be moving, the Warning would be for trolling. Posting lots of chest-thumping in support of a position and then declaring that one was not really looking to defend that position looks like trolling from here.
You are welcome to defend your position (with actual citations to facts) and you are welcome to withdraw from the thread. You are not welcome to simply post “Uh, huh.” repeatedly while refusing to actually defend your position.
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Well, by that reasoning he won’t mind being saddled with the failure to prosecute GZ.
Of course, that’s a completely different kind of “failure”, since I was talking about acting, and failing, and you’re talking about failing to act. But otherwise, it’s exactly the same.
I’m fairly certain that I did not have an actual position but only stated that the NAACP seemed to think that they did and compared to the other legal expertise expressed in the thread, I considered their expertise superior. If that was misconstrued as an expression of support for that position, I apologize.
People who believe I deserve extra scrutiny when I get on an airplane because I’m Middle Eastern are racists as far as I’m concerned.
Do you disagree?
If not, wouldn’t you agree the same should be true of people who think Martin was one of the “fucking punks” or “these assholes” who “always get away”, because he’s black and wearing a hoodie similar to Justin Bieber’s?
If not, please explain your position.
Thanks.
I don’t think they are. I think they are realistic.
I look somewhat Middle Eastern and when going through airport security I am often given extra scrutiny. Doesn’t bother me a bit. Don’t consider people who do it racists.
When I lived in California in the mid-80s for a while, there was a police checkpoint on the highway between San Diego and LA, they would wave most of the cars through but almost always stop me - I guess I looked Mexican to them. Didn’t bother me, and didn’t consider those guys racist.
When you look for illegal immigrants, you probably shouldn’t concentrate your stop and search on people who look Japanese. When you are doing security at airports (not that I think it is effective) you shouldn’t concentrate on little old ladies. Of course Middle-Eastern-looking people attract extra attention. If they didn’t, those guys would not be doing their jobs.
No, not at all.
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The Hate Crimes Law loosened that requirement.
Does anyone in this thread wish to defend the proposition that, given the evidence in this case, it would be possible to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that the primary reason George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin was Trayvon’s race, and that – beyond a reasonable doubt – self-defense was not involved?
Of course not. Sadly the person exercising his self-defence rights was shot by the asshole stalking him with a gun.
You are already half way to becoming a tort lawyer. 
When you have a poor defendant for an intentional crime, find a rich one and come up with a negligence theory that insurance will cover.
It’s actually not a bad theory (you would still have to prove Z as culpable) but you could argue that Z was the HOA’s “agent by estoppel” since the HOA should have known that a reasonable person might think that the neighborhood watch was representing them, and hold the HOA vicariously liable for his actions.
It’s far less ridiculous that some lawsuits I’ve seen.
That seems appropriate to me, the amount seems typical for a wrongful death suit and I think there’s a compelling case the HOA bears some responsibility for Zimmerman’s actions. A traditional neighborhood watch in a normal municipal neighborhood where there is no HOA, then I can’t see assigning any sort of collective responsibility to the whole neighborhood for the actions of a neighborhood watchman. But a HOA in a private, gated community that maintains a lot of control over its residents is a different beast and I felt that even if they didn’t tacitly approve of having a neighborhood watch it was certainly known to be going on. Of special interest to me would be whether or not anyone else involved in the community’s neighborhood watch knew that Zimmerman was carrying a firearm when he did his surveillance (a big no-no in terms of advice/training given by various neighborhood watch associations.)
Not even you really have the slightest doubt it was, in this instance.
I think the DOJ will drop this with little fanfare in a month or two. The behavior of the NAACP is fairly predictable - did anyone expect them to turn around and go home quietly after the verdict?
This is an interesting article on the issue.
I saw on the CBS evening news a man saying that Justice was not served and his little boy was in agreement, like he really understood!
The liitle boy said he did not trust the Justice System.
I do, actually. The initial desire to stop and question Martin may well have been a result of Martin’s race. But no one has credibly alleged that Zimmerman killed him because of his race – he killed him because he was on the losing end of a fight.
And my own certainty – and yours – aside, the prosecution would have to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Zimmerman’s motive for killing Martin was Martin’s race. There is not anywhere close to enough evidence to sustain that burden.
Like the SC stated, even pulling a motorist over for his race does not violate the 4th AM, just the equal protection clause.
My mistake. You didn’t mention the charging second-degree murder part.
It was a casual comment. If you had a gun to my head (ha!) I’d say Zimmerman probably has some antipathy toward black youth. That’s not to say I think what he did was illegal because it was a black kid he shot, or whatever.