Oh I did get them mixed. The pregnant woman, per the cite quote: "
The lawsuit recounts how a Latina woman who was five-months pregnant and a U.S. citizen was stopped as she pulled into the driveway. “After she exited her car, the officer then insisted that she sit on the hood of the car. When she refused, the officer grabbed her arms, puled them behind her back, and slammed her, stomach first, into the vehicle three times”.
He slammed her on the car stomach first three times. Pregnant woman, slammed on the car stomach first three times. Let that sink in. Her crime: failure to have ID or insurance. The cops couldn’t get their story straight on what she did wrong.
of the 6.9 mil, you say 26% is Hispanic, that is 1,794,000
According to the link, 490,000 illegal immigrants reside in AZ.
27%
That means 1 out of 4 of those people are probably illegal
Additionally, 19% of our felonious crimes are from Illegals. How about social service costs?
AZs budget is hugely impacted by the costs of illegal immigration. You will find many of the hispanic culture support Joe because they are tired of the bigotry they get because of Illegals. Additionally, many resent illegals for not going through what they went through to get citizenship.
At the risk of a pun, the issue isnt black and white
Not really. Your link shows FAIR, (a group notably hostile to all immigration that uses illegal immigration as a red flag to call attention to themslves and occasionally wanders away from facts), claims 490,000, but the USCIS/DHS, (the government immigration folks), only estimate 280,000–a very large number, but much smaller than your claim.
So, 27% is now down to 15% and you are claiming that it is fine for cops to detain anyone with a certain appearance, based solely on their appearance, on the off chance that one in six of them might be an illegal alien. That should do wonderful things to encourage the 1,514,000 citizens who are being targeted for harrassment to support the police and other governmental agencies. (And that is not even including the 286,000 Indians who are not recorded as Hispanic in the census, but are probably treated as Hispanic by the typical white guy witha badge.)
Opps, I though the story took place in the Maricopa County Jail, but it seems it was the state prison that just happens to be in Maricopa County.
You’re right, the Sheriff’s Office has nothing to do with that prison or this incident. I apologize for the mistake.
Law Enforcement.
Yeah, real dangerous…right behind truck and taxi drivers, commercial fisherman, loggers, roofers/construction workers, miners, aircraft pilots, farmers, steel workers, industrial maintenance workers, and garbage-men.
The average rate of “on the job” death for men in the US (I’m using men since law enforcement personnel are overwhelmingly male,) is 6.9 per 100,000…police have a rate of 16.9 per 100,000. Almost half of those deaths are the result of traffic fatalities (however, it’s hard to find data on whether or not they were traffic fatalities that occurred from routine patrolling, or in some sort of pursuit of a suspect.)
So while it certainly is more dangerous than most jobs, it’s not nearly as dangerous as the cops would want us to think. And they use that perceived, heightened danger to get larger SWAT teams, assault rifles, and military-grade equipment that, quite frankly, most of them are not properly trained to use.
If you don’t want to read the whole thing:
A man’s house was burnt to the ground by the MCSO, the APC ran into a parked car because the deputy didn’t know how to properly operate it, and the suspects dog was killed by the MCSO.
Illegal immigrants are a net benefit to the US. However, they are a net drag on a few states such as California (mainly via costs associated with education of their children).
Illegal immigrants DO pay taxes. Thing is they cannot get many of the benefits (such as Social Security) that paying taxes gets a US citizen. So, they put money in and do not take it out.
I am not sure how Arizona rates in this and it would not surprise me that Arizona is among the ones that loses money overall. Still, can you cite the net effect to the Arizona economy?
You also have a very real negative impact on some industries when cracking down on illegal immigrants. From a recent NYT article:
This reminds me of the old joke that the definition of an environmentalist is someone who already has a house in the woods.
Not wholly true. Many of our illegals dont pay income taxes. They do pay into SS, but many of those SS are through Identity Theft. Give you a guess who is among the leaders the nation in ID Theft.
The link addresses it a bit but here is a snip
<snip>:According to the Arizona Hospital and Healthcare association, providing care to illegal immigrants costs Arizona hospitals approximately $150 million annually. At least one hospital in Arizona has filed for bankruptcy and is in danger of closing due to uncompensated care for undocumented immigrants. As a solution to the millions of dollars these facilities are uncompensated for hospital administrators of the University Medical Center in Tucson Arizona, are reporting uninsured immigrants who do not pay their medical bills to immigration officials. In one four-month period in 2003, UMC incurred $3.3 million in immigrants’ unpaid bills. At least three Arizona hospitals are sending bill collectors into Mexico to try to obtain payments.</snip>
I agree here. Many here say without this workforce, the employers would have to pay residents, and raise their rates. This would grossly increase the cost of what they sell (Believe it or not, we have a decent farming community here).
Frankly, the lazy American wont work in the fields because the work is far too difficult physically.
There was a planned community built north of phx in the middle of the desert. There were people who have acreage just north of that planned community that argued against it because
“It would ruin the natural environment”
They sure didnt care when they spoiled the natural environment when they built there.
“AZs budget is hugely impacted by the costs of illegal immigration.”
I have not seen the numbers that support that.
Yes, you cited costs to hospitals.
No one is denying that illegal immigrants on one hand are a drain on state resources.
On the other hand they add to state resources.
The question is how it all balances out.
Some of that are in intangibles such as the cost increases everyone will pay if farmers cannot harvest their crops.
My cite (and other studies) show that illegal immigrants are a net benefit to the US economy as a whole. Some states however shoulder more of a burden (California in particular but willing to bet Arizona is in there too).
The question is how does it all pan out? Is AZ’s budget “hugely impacted” or marginally impacted when all revenue and costs are accounted for?
They also pay SS tax (this is federal, state doesnt benefit)
We can never know who files tax returns and who doesnt. To presume they all do is obtuse, since that would allow the Government to track them and deport them, and many do everything they can to fly under that radar.
Some are trying to get citizenship, and they file accordingly. Others are paid under the table (migrant labor, Home Depot Campers), and we never see that money in the form of income tax. Sales tax yes, income tax no.
I guess I see numbers in the Millions (150 milliion annually) and I call that huge.
I agree, Huge is a perceptive analysis.
We havent even addressed the impact migratory ESL student cause via Bushs NCLB impacts
If an employer hires someone the employer would like to write-off the cost of paying that worker on their income taxes. If the employer pays under the table then they cannot write that expense off (cuz it didn’t officially happen). Employers generally do automatic withholding and sends that money to the state. Of course the state cannot match the illegal immigrant with a real person but they still get the money.
Of course at some point it is cheaper to pay under the table than they would get back from a tax write-off. In this case they risk the wrath of the IRS.
Your wished for crack downs can have pernicious effects.
You can claim M-9 and have nothing withheld. That being said, many are paid cash and there are no withholdings. Lawn care companies here are notorious for hiring Home Depot Campers.
Actually, they can. It is called Fraud, but it happens. You can hire someone and if you pay them less then $400 annually, you dont have to report the pay, but you can take the write off. Home Depot here I come
Dont get me wrong, I understand what services they provide. I also think the impact of shipping them all out is one people dont truly understand.
JMHO
Our immigration system is the equivalent of a Pterodactyl and Granite Tablet, in a computer age
I think the fix is revamping the immigration system, not building walls people just tunnel under (not sure where I wished for crack downs)
Two hundred and thirty seven pages. It took me three days to read in my spare time.
The entirety of the Court Tower section is… well, many pages long.
The bit about serving a judge? Bit long.
To repeat,
Hm. Trying to find the exact bit where Judge Donahoe was threatened in the judgment.
Trust me. Read this whole thing. It’s not about Sheriff Joe. But it’s tied to him, he’s specifically mentioned repeatedly as having caused about half of it. And it’s all a legal judgment.
I’ll nip in and ask a copper next opportunity I get in the next few days, don’t know if I can find it trawling through the internet while still young enough to have my own mobility.
Its well known over here, this really is a silly request for a cite.
Actually, given the large number of things that are “well known” that have zero factual basis, it would probably be a good thing for you to be able to find evidence of this.
There is a persistent story, “well known” in the States, that if you ask an undercover cop whether he is a policeman he has to tell you the truth. Not true.
You are claiming that there is actually a law in Britain that requires policemen to keep track of the ethnicity of everyone they stop or question so that either they ask an equal, (or proportional?), number of all the various ethnic groups about any crime they are investigating or keep similar tabs on all the people they stop randomly on the street in regards to specific ethnic violence. Just the logistics of such a claim makes it rather unbelievable, without even getting into the issues of how they determine which ethnic group they are approaching before a stop.
And asking the local copper is not actually providing evidence. Cops are as liable to buy into urban legends as anyone else. Let’s see some actual evidence for your claim.