No, you posted no proof that liberals broke GOP windows. Much like your claim about church burnings, it is entirely likely that the GOP windows were broken by tea baggers hoping to deflect criticism. Prove me wrong.
a) like suspending habeus corpus?
b) more like chose not to participate, by virtue of preferring obstruction to participation.
c) a simple majority is not a trick.
d) sorry, that’s not true. Best you could say is, maybe, 49/51 divide.
The only poll that counts is the one that occurred on election day and the people’s preference was pretty clear. Any other poll, until the next election day is just popularity rating at best.
I thought democracy worked by the majority electing a president and then that president setting/passing policy based on majority support of the representatives elected by majority. That’s what happened here, by all accounts. So, short of sour grapes and we’d rather be obstuctionist, what’s the problem? If you support democracy and the rule of the majority then how can you oppose this?
I know it sucks to be the 49 in a 51/49 divide, over any issue, but you either believe in democracy and the rule of the majority or you don’t. So which is it?
The citizens chose the democrats, in the house, the congress, and the white house. What’s not clear about that? Being obstructionist just makes the republicans look like jerkward, petty shitstirrers.
The issue isn’t the extremists on both sides, it is the mainstreaming of the right-wing whackos into the Republican Party.
There were no “tricks” at all unless you count the Republicans using every rule in the book to obstruct, such as the use of the filibuster.
The law was passed by the house, then by 60% of the senate. Deem and pass was never used and reconciliation is just being used to modify the bill to remove the bad elements.
What tricks were used by the Dems?
Also, this just in: Republicans refuse to sign joint civility statement
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/35096.html
Also, if everyone is so against the bill, why is a plurality supporting it now?
Like I said, it was carried by the majority.
As for tricks vs bipartisanship, here’s some real good bipartisanship right here -
And there are more threats against them there libruls and Commies, now it’s Pelosi being sort of threatened, except the guy is so cowardly, so chickenshit, he doesn’t even have the balls to make a proper threat, and tries to “weasel word” it… the same Teabag shit stain who is on the public dole himself.
No, I did not do that. I posted examples of GOP HQ and other GOP (Bunning, e.g.) getting targeted. Just like Dems were targeted. As I mentioned before, it’s not proof, either way, of whodunnit until they catch/convict the guy(s).
Why can’t you people read a simple poll? It’s amazing, like I’m talking to toddlers here. You don’t like the facts so you just deny them.
Go back and look at the polls one more time. Then do it again. And again I guess.
The public was against this. The Dems ignored that. That’s what got the country all stirred up.
Christ almighty, it’s amazing the ignorance still out there… I guess Cecil’s work is never done.
As for the election day ‘poll’, your story is that it was a mandate on UHC. Wrong.
I accept your apology in advance.
Well, when a member of Congress gets a death threat on his answering machine specifically because of his vote for HCR, it is far more proof than a nameless brick through the GOP’s window.
Coming right up. My dog is making it in the yard as I speak.
So basically, after being unsuccessful in obstructing (the latest one is real cute, no work after 2PM, and so was the “thing” about supermajority being needed), after spreading lies about communism and death panels and skyrocketing taxes and returning to the America we used to have (uh huh), after getting the far far right teabag loonies riled up, after threats of violence and racial slurs and spitting, etc etc etc,
It’s all OK and understandable because as the wife beater would say “You made me do it” Don’t even have the fucking guts to own up, man up and take ownership of it. You made me do it. Spineless bastards make me wanna puke.
Equivalency fail.
You posted an example of a bullet passing through a window that was near a GOP office. Which was later shown to be a randomly fired at the end of it’s trajectory. This does not compare with cutting a gas line at a residence, which was referred to as “collateral damage” by the GOP wingnut who posted the address on the web.
Your church burning attempt is also a major fail, since you now admit that it was based on your “recollection” and you can find no proof.
How can the republicans claim it lacked bipartisan support on the one hand and be totally obstructionist on the other?
They were invited to the table, but they just kept saying, ‘let’s start over’, after months and months of work went into it. If you don’t have anything to contribute then just sit in corner and cry, “But we don’t like it!”
Sorry, I’m not buying it. If you are sworn to obstructionism, then don’t complain when no one wants any input from you.
The bottom line is this president was elected by a majority, his legislation was passed by majority, by persons elected by majorities. Where’s the problem? If people don’t like it they can elect someone else next time. Until then, suck it up you pansies.
When the republicans had their chance they led the country into a war, based on a lie, that cost lives and far more money than healthcare reform will. They deregulated wall street till the world economy teetered on the brink of collapse. And when given the opportunity the American people decided they’d had enough of that and they’d like to try another way. So suck it up and quit you’re bellyaching. It’s like they still can’t get used to the idea that they lost the election.
EQUIVALENCY. MOTHERFUCKING. FAIL.
I’ll ignore the last paragraph, if only because there’s no need to change the subject (that’s a Dem trick after they lose arguments… 
)
The point is, the bill was hammered through against the wishes of most of Americans. Here’s yet another poll, this time cited by that knuckledragging mouthpiece of the GOP, the NY Times.
You people cannot make the case that Americans were in favor of this, simply because the case cannot be made.
Now, you can argue that UHC is a good idea, and hey it’s good for the country, and people don’t know what’s good for them, etc. But that’s a completely different argument.
The public had a year (longer, really) to look at it, and the Prez had plenty of chances to sell Obamacare, as my conservative friends call it. He is the one who had the epic fail (to use the parlance of the 14 yr old). So they ramrodded it through with no GOP votes at all. Damn the torpedos, full speed ahead.
That certainly works for the short term, but my guess (and others, especially guys like Charlie Cook who have no axe to grind) suggest that the Dems have handed the GOP some seroius bulletin board material for Nov. Not that it will be repealed; that’s silly. Even if the GOP were to take back the Senate (and they won’t), they still wouldn’t have a veto-proof supermajority.
I’m sorry; what proof was that again? In other words, you have proof that it was a tea partier or GOP extremist, and not a Democrat trying to change the conversation away from the recently unpopular bill they just passed?
Good luck getting Mr Smashy to understand that.
So, again, you’re not aware of the efforts they made to get Snowe’s vote? Because she was on the committee of six that helped design the bill.
The polls show this is incorrect. Obama had a pretty consistent lead for most of the summer and fall, and McCain’s poll numbers never recovered following that Katie Couric interview. So would you care to respond to any of the points I made instead of dodging around? Because I stand by what I said: a great deal of effort was made to get votes from, in particular, Snowe. And the GOP could have gotten more of what they want in the bill if they had negotiated instead of trying to kill it no matter what was offered. Their tactic failed, and Obama did not invite the death threats.
Oh! I get it now! You’re not a conservative pretending to be an independent! You’re just a conspiracy theorist. It all makes sense now.
Polls go up and down like hemlines, are terribly unreliable and can be manipulated, by the unscrupulous, to any end.
That’s why polls don’t determine policy. Votes do. In a democracy that means the only poll that counts is the one that happens on election day. And the republicans can’t seem to accept that they lost. They did not represent the majority position on the day it mattered most. Too bad, so sad. All the polls in the world cannot change that.
When something is passed, by a majority, in both houses, by officials elected by a majority, and signed into law by a president elected by a majority, that’s not ‘rammed through’, that’s how democracy is supposed to work.
The republicans, who claim to be all about supporting democracy, seem to feel that if they take a few seats from democrats they’ll have a mandate, the people will have spoken.
The people have already spoken, the white house, the senate, the house - all democratic majority.
Suck it up you sore losers.
Y’all wanted to hear about arrests?
I saved THE BEST for last
That’s one hell of a guy right there. That’s your fucking Tea Party.
Let your little war start. I’m betting none of your Tea Baggers have the balls to really DO it.