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I agree, and I hope that Republicans heed this advice. Please, Republican candidates, be more like Trump.
In terms of straight talk, all candidates should emulate him. That’s what the public is demanding and why non-establishment politicians are doing so well right now.
‘Straight talk’ like how the majority of undocumented immigrants are rapists? Or are you talking about some other ‘straight talk’?
Please let this be true. Trump doesn’t rule out a 3rd party run if he fails to get the nomination. I doubt he will, but I’m sure his ego would be well fed by doing a 3rd party run.
Cite for that “majority of undocumented immigrants are rapists”?
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
The “They’re rapists” is a fabrication.
“[Mexico] are sending people that have lots of problems, and they are bringing those problems to us. They are bringing drugs, and bringing crime, and their rapists,” the business mogul said.
“When Mexico sends its people, they are not sending their best. […] They are sending people that have lots of problems. They are bringing those problems to us. They are bringing drugs and they are bringing crime and their rapists, and some are good people, and I speak to border guards and they tell us what we are getting.”
(Note the incorrect quote from trump in the title of this article)
“[Mexico] are sending people that have lots of problems, and they are bringing those problems to us. They are bringing drugs, and bringing crime, and their rapists,” Trump claimed."
Trump also accused Mexico of sending “not the right people” to the U.S. “[Mexico] are sending people that have lots of problems, and they are bringing those problems to us. They are bringing drugs, and bringing crime, and their rapists,” he said.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-oliver-méndez/2015/06/18/trump-takes-beating-spanish-nets
DONALD TRUMP: When Mexico sends its people, they are not sending their best. They are not sending you. They are not sending you. They are sending people that have lots of problems, and they are bringing those problems to us. They are bringing drugs, they are bringing crime, their rapists.
etc. etc. etc.
It really tells you almost all you need to know about the GOP that a supporter can link the versions of the quote as above and apparently, sincerely think that this version is significantly less problematic.
Will the fate of Donald Trump’s campaign rest on the ability of Americans to distinguish between “their” and “they’re”? Tune in next time!
I hope everyone reading those transcriptions can see the grammatical issues involved. I have little hope for it, but it’s some hope.
To be fair, it’s not 100% non-ambiguous whether “they’re rapists” or “their rapists” was really what Trump meant. But it hardly matters; both quotes show a reprehensible attitude.
Here’s a worthy editorial video from the Washington Post about Trump’s opportunist flip-flopping, and it includes the original video with the quote.
I still say Trump is intentionally trying to fan the flames of white fear, in a manner not dissimilar to the anti-segregationist rhetoric of the 1950s and 60s (and, frankly, today.) Supporting exhibit A: as the video points out, Trump’s position on immigration was 180 degrees in a different direction not all that long ago. If there was a thoughtful process behind this radical change of heart, as quoted in the video above, there’s been no sign of it. Opportunism is the likeliest reason. Whether Trump is genuinely racist is a good question; maybe he actually is not. But the rhetorical appeal he is using, whether “they’re” or “their,” is intended to appeal to those who fear the loss of a white majority.
It tells you a lot about Democrats that they have to distort what Trump said (“the majority of undocumented immigrants are rapists”) in order to attack him. Why?
Your quote represents an interpretation of the implications of what Trump was saying.
If you prefer: Trump is deliberately exaggerating the threat of crime from Mexican immigrants from in order to pander to white fear.
But, by all means, Terr: please do your utmost to defend Trump and his blatantly changed attitudes about immigration, ideally across various social media and loudly in public, not just on the SDMB. Defending Trump’s comments is exactly what the GOP needs right now to ensure that “permanent Republican majority,” as the party faithful have always dreamed of! Please, do continue.
The quote represents a lie about what Trump said. If you want to attack trump, just quote him. You’re claiming that what he said is bad enough - so use that. Don’t invent things.
I didn’t do that.
I agree; the quote stands on its own.
ETA: But I do understand (if not quite agree with) the impulse to create various paraphrases of the quote that reveal its implications more transparently. I just don’t think it’s necessary in this case.
Note that the quote I provided was from the website of the Wall Street Journal (with the transcription by Federal News Service). His people, in other words.
I think it’s funny that I told someone of the attempt to convince us it’s “their” instead of “they’re” and the person I was talking to assumed the “their” interpretation was being pushed by someone anti-Trump.
An excellent point.
Here’s the video. CNN shows the clip to Trump and he comments. (I stopped watching after viewing Trump’s high profile attack on Mexican immigrants).
I heard the WSJ version. Specifically I heard, “…They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. …”
I did NOT hear, “They’re bringing crime and…” I did not hear the word “and” enunciated.
I am curious whether there are other board members here who claim to hear the word “And” in the video. Such an assessment would be useful to file away for future reference. As for mic.com, forbes.com et al, I’m not surprised they messed up the quote. I see that CBS News agrees with the WSJ.
In other news, Vox.com discusses whether Trump is trolling the GOP. It’s possible, but I think that the absence of full-throated denunciations of Trump’s remarks by Republican Presidential candidates is revealing: the GOP has a bigotry problem. I agree that Trump is cut from a different cloth from your typical politician. Trump is blowhard who spouts nonsense that is easy to correct factually. For example, “Native-born Americans are much more likely to be incarcerated than immigrants”. Indeed crime in the US has fallen as unauthorized immigration has expanded. What we need is more factually incorrect Republican blowhards who are not afraid to appeal to the craziest parts of the GOP primary electorate. We need this because it demonstrates that it is unacceptable within the GOP to deploy facts against nonsense.
Natural experiments advance scientific knowledge. To win the GOP primary you have to either be crazy or simulate crazy. So far the GOP field is passing this requirement with flying colors.