Donald Trump is now a birther

I think we just got direct evidence here, it is lower, that last cite from Chen019 was shown to be a hoax or a confusion from the original reporter.

It may well be. That doesn’t really address why the democratic Governor Abercrombie wasn’t allowed/or able to access the certificate so he could bring finality to the issue.

That article does not pertain the the original Certificate of Live Birth and you know it. For one thing, if releasing it is a violation of privacy laws, how was FactCheck able to look at and photograph it? And if it was the original document, to be stored in secret ad infinitum, how come FactCheck states that it resides at Obama’s residence in Chicago?

People already know that the standard document, routinely issued upon a citizen’s request for a birth certificate, has already been made public. The question in the minds of many is why is there so much confusion as to where the original certificate of live birth resides, and why it hasn’t been made public…and frankly, why some people such as yourself are so eager to insist that the document you refer to is that absolute final resolution to the issue.

Believe it or not, there are people out there who are most certainly not morons but who do not follow these issues all that closely because they have families and lives, who hear or read about how the original can’t be found or how they’re supposed to take some nurse’s word for its existence, or how the governor of Hawaii is determined to “get to the bottom” of where it is and look at it for himself, and wonder quite logically if there aren’t shenanigans of some sort going on.

I think the issue would have been settled in the minds of those people long ago if the original certificate of live birth had produced to begin with rather than submerged in all this mystery.

Wow, your “Not that I care” disclaimer is looking less and less honest with each post you make. I can’t exactly say I find that surprising.

To be precise, it was not true that Abercrombie said that he could not find the certificate.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201101270012

And to be even more precise, Chen019 is really clueless.

Aw, c’mon, crow. This isn’t a life-or-death issue. We’re just a few bozos posting to a message board. No reason we can’t still be friends. :slight_smile:

Assuming that your link has even the slightest amount of veracity to it, the reason is that it’s illegal for Abercrombie to ask for it. Is the Governor of Maryland allowed to review my original birth certificate? No.

He apparently never said any such thing.

Ambercrombie was actually friends with Obama’s parents when they were married and says they were in the US when Barak was born.

I think you’ll find that he later said that he “misspoke” on one station. However, that is contradicted by evidence from other stations.

I thought I read in another thread on the subject that ABC reported the governor as saying that he was going to get to the bottom of where it was and take a look at it himself. I’ll see if I can find the post.

Keep it up Birthers.

I’m sure that if you keep on this topic long enough, you’ll be rewarded at the polls.

Keep it going. Keep it in the news.

The American Stinker? Don’t make laugh.. In the end, to support what they claim, they resort to another conspiracy theory.

Not even FOX played with the birthers:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/26/celebrity-journalist-says-he-never-talked-hawaii-governor-obama-birth/

OK, now you are a moron. Every picture and every reference in that article refers to the reissue of Obama’s birth certificate. Said reissue is accepted for all purposes that require a birth certificate in the United States.

Should I wish an exact copy of my original birth certificate issued in 1957, I could not receive it at this late date. Nor could you. I defy you to do so.

Okay, here’s the post, and a link to the ABC article.

Yeah, it’s accepted that he later said he “misspoke”. You then have to assess the credibility of his retraction, given he said on several stations that Abercrombie had told him he couldn’t find it.

No no, it’s 15% lower than sub-Saharan AFRICA, the actual terrain. Your Birthers are dumber than dirt, and that’s official.

“Our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives written down,” Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie told Honolulu’s Star-Advertiser.

And back them many did warn Abercrombie that he would not be able to release it, only confirm it to himself and close members of his administration, what happened was indeed predictable, yahoos then made even more conspiracies. Was this trip really necessary?

Said reissue is not the original long form certificate, which even the governor of Hawaii says he wants to find in order to put the issue to rest. See the ABC linked article above.

But we’re hearing from multiple second-hand sources that it does exist, so why can’t it be: a) found; and b) produced?

This would go a long way toward settling the issue in the minds of people who have legitimate questions about it and to discredit at least some of the people driven by cynical political motivations.

Why on Earth would an “investigation” into its whereabouts even be necessary? One would think that one could simply go to where the archives are stored, look it up and view it. According to the ABC article, Abercrombie still hadn’t seen it but intended to, and I haven’t read since that he ever has.

OK. Let’s assume you are correct in this assertion with many missing words replaced by “…”.

Obama’s mother is a US citizen.

There is an announcement in the papers of Obama’s birth in Hawaii. Claiming this was a ‘plant’ like Trump is no better than the Truthers who want to suck Steven Jones cock for claiming thermite brought down the twin towers on 9/11.

The whole idea and what it would involve is laughable. You have Obama’s mother travelling 1/2 way across the world to have her baby in a country with less than stellar medical care for no good reason whatsoever.

Birther claims have been full of lies like ‘long form’ and ‘photoshopped’ and other bullshit that makes even Ann Coulter call them bullshit.

Get a fucking life you wastrels.