Culminating in the Grand Finale of “If you don’t agree with me, or at least give my fact-free opinions the respect they deserve, then you don’t believe in Freedom of Speech!”
It’s a thing of beauty.
Tune in again next week, when we can hear about how the Liberal Meanies have forced the Nice Conservatives to lie, cheat and steal. “They had no choice, because the Liberal Meanies did it first/made them do it.”
I have sort of a technical, legal type question. Let’s just assume Obama was born in Kenya or Indonesia or Canada and only gets his citizenship through his American mother. I know that Hawaii has some weird law that says you are only a citizen if you’ve lived there 5 years after your 16th birthday or somesuch, and she was too young. But doesn’t this law fall afowl of the constitution which says you are a citizen if you were born here?
In other words, is there any real legitimate question that his mother was a complete American citizen, capable of passing on citizenship to her offspring, wherever they were born?
Nope. That argument rested on a misinterpretation of the version of 8 U.S.C. § 1401 then in effect (not on Hawaiian law).
Let’s don’t.
So the question of whether he was was born in the US or not doesn’t even matter. He would be a citizen regardless.
And there is once again the “there is no timeline” or “time does not exist” syndrome so common on extreme conservatives.
Time is what you are missing here, there are no reliable sources that claim that Obama’s citizenship is in doubt, 3 years have passed already were even the best birther arguments got to court and they lost. In those 3 years no newscast has come from the big media reporting of any evidence that has remained valid for long. So time has to be added to the fat chance and the moot point this issue is. After all this time one has to conclude that whoever is still following this deserves mockery as even Ann Coulter and Bill O’Reilly do to the birthers today.
And that takes us to your pathetic efforts of today, you are defending cranks by using cranky information. You can not get more worthless than that when nowadays many conservatives think this issue is a loser for them and they think keeping this issue in the news is now an idea from the liberal media to make all Republicans look foolish and to help Obama.
Well, that’s not the question. The question is whether he’d be a natural born citizen regardless. The answer is still yes, though. Probably. The status of children born to US citizen parents overseas is a bit less clear than the status of those born in the US, though not really enough to matter.
I was born in the UK to American parents… are you saying I’m not a ‘natural born’ citizen and thus I can’t be president? Really? Not that I’m heartbroken, I don’t really want the job. But I’ve lived here all my life (except those 9 moths when I was a baby) and I hate to think I’m a kind of a sub-American.
The points don’t matter in a game that’s already over. I figure you’ve gained no yards, and cannot gain any yards with the strategy you’re employing - pretending that while you don’t personally believe in birther theory, you believe it has sufficient merit to be taken seriously, or that people who take it seriously deserve to be taken seriously, or that people who don’t personally take it seriously but take seriously the people who do take it seriously should be taken seriously…
Seriously, I can’t even keep track of how many layers of abstraction are between you and “Obama’s a Kenyan!” any more.
It didn’t stop McCain.
It all depends on how many circles there are in your Venn diagram. :smack:
CMC fnord!
Another reason Trump will never be President - a history of liberalism, which I can’t imagine will help him curry much favor with the GOP base in the primaries:
When I think about it, I guess it’s not surprising that Trump thinks he can base his popularity on one stupid catchphrase since it’s already worked so well for him for the past several years.
Then you’re still waiting because, typically for posters such as yourself, I didn’t say any such thing. I said you guys are intolerant and prone to want to shut down speech you don’t agree with. What sparked it in this case, since you all apparently can’t read for yourselves, was digs suggestion that “we” (i.e., the board) put a limit on how many times I can post to a thread. He obviously had no such concerns when it came to Harborwolf, who had been posting as much if not more than I was and with virtually no content other than childish insults. In other words, I didn’t say liberals should respect what I or anyone else says; I said they were eager to have political speech they don’t like shut down.
It would be so refreshing to come back to my computer some day and find that the board’s liberal contingent had not completely reframed something I’d said and made it into something else entirely to suit their dishonest purposes.
Respect which should take the form of free speech and not limitations on how many times a conservative poster can post to a thread. Right?
Now I wish I hadn’t signed that petition to get you to shut the fuck up about this. Boy is my face red.
And I regret sending out those death squads to disappear all those outspoken conservatives.
Read again:
I feel like SA has a tiny shred of a point, maybe kinda sorta… I think it’s possible to imagine a situation in which an intelligent well meaning fair minded person might in fact entertain birther-y doubts.
For instance, someone who just never paid attention to politics, just lived out in the woods doing their thing, and then were sent an email from an acquaintance full of lies and halftruths and links to things taken out of context. There’s no reason that someone in such a situation wouldn’t at least have their curiosity piqued… and it’s also quite possible for someone in a situation like that to be naive and ignorant enough to see something like “worldNetDaily.com” and think “ahh, that sounds like a news website”, and go there to get information.
So a combination of someone being naive, generally ignorant about the internet, not hugely interested in politics, and kind of in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong friends, could result in an intelligent and logical person becoming very suspicious about the issue. There’s definitely something in the human psyche which wants to believe in conspiracy theories, and mix that with the kind of totally one sided presentation of information that you might naively end up with if you kind of blundered in with the wrong intellectual crowd, and I can easily see someone starting to believe that there is at least some reasonable doubt.
However, that’s pretty darn unlikely and contrived. And more importantly, arguing for such a position is a pretty disingenuous thing to do. “I’m not saying I believe that position, or that there are actual doubts about the facts of the matter, I’m just saying that (in an incredibly contrived hypothetical) some reasonable people might have doubts about it. But you liberals say all birthers are idiots! You’re so intolerant!”. Furthermore, that argument is very very similar to (although not identical to) the deliberately disingenuous “some people say…” and “doubts persist…” and “why has it never been proved that…” type of argument, which is something that should be mocked and stomped out wherever it raises its pernicious little head.
Note, by the way, that I’m certain that anyone with an open mind and some basic internet research skills who put good faith effort into researching the issue for him-or-herself would very quickly come to the correct conclusion that in fact there is no factual doubt about the issue… but that’s somewhat tangential to what I’m saying here.
Oh, the free speech comment you made applied to you on the SDMB, not Trump? You wrote that post extremely poorly, if that’s the case.
You should have quoted digs post, and you should not have wondered if Trump is aware that we are all trying to stifle his free speech.
I’ll add, at this point, that you, of all people, should be fully aware that the constitutional limitations on free speech apply to governmental actions, and not to me. I, as a private actor, am free to have your free speech in my sphere stifled to my little heart’s desire.