Clinton is a hell of a lot worse than a typical dishonest politician. She’s not as bad as Trump - frankly, few people in history have been worse - but she’s in the bottom handful of Presidential candidates. Both her and Trump would, in a sane world, have approval ratings of zero.
Putin is less bad than Stalin. That doesn’t mean either of them should be praised or supported in any way.
I think the level of distrust and even hatred is so far out of line with “what she’s done” that sexism is a likely explanation.
There are reasons not to be in love with her as a politician. There are not many reasons to despise her.
I didn’t suggest changing it would be easy. Presumably, it would have to clear the same (appropriately high, IMO) hurdles as any other Constitutional amendment. Not being a scholar or expert on Constitutional law, there may even be significant extra difficulties. I do not reasonably foresee this system changing in my lifetime.
However, as noted by Rushgeekgirl, there is a separate, but related, aspect for any serious electoral reform: the vast majority of U.S. states assign the entirety of their electors based upon simple majority, i.e. first-past-the-post voting. The U.S. Constitution does not specify how the individual states are to allot the electors.
I think election reform should focus on the state elector issue, and not so much on the issue of whether there should be electors in the first place.
What the fuck does this have to do with anything?
Oh, it turns out that we’d need the consent of the people who disproportionally benefit from the Electoral College to abolish the Electoral College? And since they will never consent to give up their unfair advantage, we’re stuck with our current system?
Thanks for pointing that out. Your contribution here has been duly noted.
To get back to the OP.
Hillary was never that popular in the first place. Then she carelessly lost a very narrow election to Donald Trump and Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. And her loss handed Trump the presidency, which means every horrible thing Trump does is her fault.
It’s no wonder her poll numbers are in the toilet.
keep in mind that nothing in the Constitution mandates the “winner take all” method of appointing a state’s electors; two states apportion them by district.
the Electoral College may be an un-needed “middleman,” but its existence isn’t a problem in and of itself.
Hmm. I guess the obvious comparison would be to Gore winning the popular vote but losing the presidency to George W. Bush; were folks polling for respectively popularity six months into that situation, to see which one was where?
Well, this is a good way to encourage more sexism. When you run around accusing people of sexism for the crime of ‘unfavorably views lying professional politician deeply in Wall Street’s pocket who has supported many awful things in the past and continues to support awful things and who ran a campaign bad enough it let Trump into the White House’, you reduce the strength of the accusation. If all it takes to get slapped with the label “Sexist” is not being favorable to the corporate shill who the Democratic Party inner circle anointed as presidential candidate, then the vast majority of people are “sexist” and it’s not a thing worth worrying about. Yeah, maybe they’re labeled ‘sexist’ because they discriminate against hiring women, but it could also just be that they don’t view a shitty candidate favorably.
They sure did.
And this. There is no “equivalency” there.
But when George W Bush won, it was 17 years ago. Good God, that long ago? Yeah, that long ago.
Anyway, Bush as seen back then as a second-rate amiable dunce. Sure, he wasn’t the best, and he’d outsource all his decision making to the Republican Establishment, but how bad could that be? It would just be more of the same middle of the road Republican bullshit of tax cuts and benign neglect and corporate welfare. And sure, he stole the election, but what can you do? He had a little honeymoon of “wait and see”, and then he had the rally round the flag effect of 9-11 and then the war and the other war.
Bush didn’t turn into “WORST PRESIDENT EVAR” until into his second term when it finally became clear even in the cheap seats that Iraq and Afghanistan were indisputably disasters.
With Trump it was obvious since the 1980s that he was a walking disaster. Everyone, Republicans included, knew he was going to be shitshow, and that he’d drag America down with him. And we elected him anyway, over that Hillary, because she reminded everyone of their humorless geometry teacher.
Well, your feelings about Hillary seem quite intense for a run-of-the-mill, moderate Democratic with a fairly solid resume. Again, there are perfectly valid reasons for not liking her, but I don’t get the reasons for hating her. She’s probably more progressive than her husband was, but she seems a lot more vilified by voters who are generally on her side of the aisle. Maybe it’s sexism, maybe it’s something else.
Perhaps had she not purposely tried to win the popular vote (which means NOTHING), she might have won the electoral votes necessary to win the election. That’s probably one of the reasons she is so unpopular.
You don’t even get a consolation prize for the popular vote. She got beaten by a huckster, Kartrashian-esque wannabe. What’s not to love?
That may be so, but while they’re busy failing to get anything done in power, their counterparts are failing to even have a taste of power. And there’s also the fact that while they may be busy getting nothing accomplished, a government that does nothing is not without its consequences.
I continue to be amazed at those on the left who suggest that Trump and Clinton are even remotely comparable. It’s saying that the Chinese government is only marginally less oppressive and inhumane than North Korea, or comparisons between George W Bush and Adolph Hitler.:rolleyes: The ones who can’t get over the election are the goddamned Bernie Bros.
The irony is that the continued whinging about the electoral vote and how Trump didn’t really win the vote reveals a subtle contempt by progressives for rural and suburban voters. One of the reasons why the left keeps getting beaten in elections, despite endorsing policies that are demonstrably better for the masses, is the left has so narrowly focused on ethnic diversity in urban areas that has ignored voters who finally got fed up and found their Twitter Messiah.
I’m not necessarily directing this at you, but I’ve read numerous threads and posts calling out Hillary Clinton for her voting record, and yet there’s another thread in which most people suggest that Joe Biden would have won and would have been a better candidate – despite the fact that their voting record was the same on some key votes. He voted for the Iraq war in 2003 but voted against it in 1990. I guess he figured he didn’t want to miss out on another unpopular war this time. Biden voted to repeal Glass Steagal – hell, even Hillary Clinton didn’t do that. How do people reconcile this? How is it not sexism?
The election brought out a lot of crap that I thought we, as “enlightened” people, had put beyond us. The consequence of this knowledge is that I’m very angry at white men in particular. HRC as the best candidate we have seen. But of course stupid Americans vote in a class A thief, liar, and all around corrupt asshole.
I think that’s another factor – people in this country have repeatedly fallen for the gimmick candidate, from Ronald Reagan to Jesse Venture to this guy. Christ, though…Ronald Reagan? Okay, I get that - he had been governor of the most populous state in the Union and at least sounded intelligent when speaking about politics. Trump? I’ll never be able to process that one. People outside this country won’t either. The world really does look at American democracy as a sick joke, and no matter how enlightened the progressives and independents think they are, the outside world has a pretty low opinion of them and their voting record as well. There really wasn’t a 2nd option in the general election. Wishing that there had been a better democratic candidate is like a middle age man wishing he could be 21 again.
Maybe it’s the fact that she got the DNC to steal the primaries from a candidate I actually liked, then ran such an incompetent campaign that Donald Trump is in the White House now? Nah, couldn’t be that, I must just dislike the presence of her vagina. Could I be that I get annoyed that some of her supporters act like she’s flat-out amazing? No, couldn’t be that, must be the vagina again. Also like the way that “don’t like her and respond when people talk about her like a saint” turns into “hating” in your head.