Don't let your kids pay for the delivery pizza

As a former waitress who worked my way through college at a Mexican restaurant in rural NC, I am VERY glad to no longer depend on the decency of strangers for my livelihood.

Some points:

  1. What a few people said about servers tipping out or being taxed on a percentage of their sales is absolutely true. Let’s say I am done for the night, I run a report to calculate my sales and I sold 100.00. At my restaurant, we tipped out a fixed percentage to the bartenders and the busboys. If it were a busy night, we also tipped out to the food runner. And, when clocking out for the night, we reported our tips so that we could be taxed appropriately. When I worked 40.00 weeks, my weekly paychecks amounted to about 30.00 bucks.

So, if you stiff a server on a check, you are costing them money. No matter if you tipped them or not, they are still going to have to tip out for that check total as well as be taxed on a tip for that amount. Sure, good tips balance out bad tips, but service would have to be shockingly bad before I would ever tip so little as to cause someone else to pay money (even a small amount!) for my dinner.

  1. Krispy Original

This was the reason I waited tables to get through college, it was the most bang for the buck. I worked 5 nights a week (including the lucrative Fri/Sat night shifts) and paid for rent/books/school etc. Although my place was a Mexican family chain, I could still clear 70+ dollars (after tipping out 15 bucks or so) on a Fri/Sat night.

Don’t forget though, waiting tables is exhausting work, always running, always on your feet. I nearly ruined my back and my wrist carrying large trays, not to mention my poor feet! I did average about 10.00 an hour and there was no way I would have done the job for less.

  1. reprise

This is a complete non issue in my experience waiting tables. If the restaurant doesn’t open til 11:00 am and you are scheduled at 10:00 “to open” (ie, make the tea, cut the lemons, whatever) you get paid your waiting wage which was 2.13 during my day. If you’re last table is sat at 8:30 but lingers til 11:00, you get paid 2.13. If all your tables leave promptly and it takes you 2 hours to roll your 100 silverware and do your closing sidework (wiping down booster seats, filling salad dressing, marrying ketchup) you get paid 2.13.

The point is, the management where I worked NEVER paid minimum wage to servers under any circumstance.

  1. Enderw24

As I mentioned before, at the restaurant I worked at in NC, we were taxed on our sales totals. We also tipped out on sales totals (tips to the bartenders and busboys were REQUIRED and were collected by management during when we checked out for the night). We used the computer to run a report based on our server number and our total sales number was right at the top. When we clocked out, we used that sales number to calculate what we should claim for our tips (most of us claimed 10% of our sales, which was pretty accurate since after tipping out, most of us walked with 10% of our total sales).

  1. Lucretia

It happened in my restaurant all the time. We had a ton of regulars who were habitual bad tippers and they got pretty lousy service. If you’re dumb enough to keep coming back to a restaurant and leave crappy tips, then you deserve crappy service. Why should a server waste time on you when they know they’re getting nothing? I would much rather spend my time giving good service to another table who will probably leave me a decent tip. We even had unflattering nicknames for the repeat bad tippers! Oooh, how unprofessional! Give me a break, we’re human.

  1. XJETGIRLX

I don’t know what kind of fairy tale land of personal fulfillment you’re living in, but I waited tables to make money to live and go to school. I wasn’t there to “find” anything but money to live on.

And on that note, I’d just like to say again, that I’m really glad to be out of waitressing. I read these threads about tipping and it just makes my blood boil. I always wondered why some people were such bad tippers even though service was good.

Glory said :

Wouldn’t you rather just get a decent wage like the chefs do? I suppose your attitude is understandable (albeit damn rude) but can we not agree that a system which promotes shitty and unsocial attitudes to selected customers is inherently flawed?

To all the Americans here who refuse to tip (or tip decently), grow the hell up! Tipping has been around forever, you know damn well that it’s the system we have, like it or not. Don’t act like the tip is some sort of surprise, or an ‘extra’ cost you didn’t factor in, you can’t possibly be that stupid. It’s ok to not like the system, but stiffing the waitstaff over it is mean and petty.

Tipping is part of the cost of going to a restaurant, it is a cost that can vary according to the service you receive, which is a nice option to have. Including the tip in the base price will just increase that base price, or do you think that restauranteurs make money hand over fist with this scam?

wait a second here. 3 deliveries per hour nets you $9.50 (3x$2 tip + $2 vechical comp). so the ave delivery price should go up $3.17 per order not $5.

I think that delivery fees don’t work because people figure that they are getting double billed - a mandatory tip (delivery fee) for the place and an additional tip for the delivery person. Maybe this is not how it works but this is at least my perception. If it does go to the delivery person maybe it should be called a base tip.

In a way they waitor is also running his own business for volentary payment (tips). Now if you are running a business and there are patrons who actually cost you money (or you make very little on) and people who on average will gain you money - as a smart business person who are you going to serve?

I waitressed for five years…and then got into bartending.

And this is where it gets good.

All the people who have this sanctimonious “But you owe me this service as a patron of your restaurant/bar and I shouldn’t have to tip you!” attitude–totally disregarding all logic, btw, since the difference in wages that would make that possible would jack up the price of the food/drinks to cover the difference ANYWAY–don’t bother me anymore. (Most of the time, anyway.)

For all the people who order anything but beer–if you don’t tip your bartender, your drinks might as well be nonalcoholic. You don’t have to tip me, but I don’t have to make you, OR your alcohol, my priority. I have all kinds of tricks up my sleeve; you’ll pay retail for your alcohol, but you won’t get more than a dime’s worth.

The bottom line is, feel free not to tip anyone. There’s no law against stiffing everyone, all day long, all your life. But don’t start whining and crying about it when you’ve dropped $50 bucks and you never even copped a decent buzz. And you can’t catch the bartender’s attention to save your life, and your glass has been empty for twenty minutes.

OTOH, if you DO tip me well, I’ll get you wasted for less than $20. And all the alcohol that “should” have gone to the bad tippers goes straight into your glass. And you won’t have to wait for a single drink, all night long. You’ll be Priority A.

So it’s your call. If you want to be sober, cheap, and “right,” be my guest.

If you want to get drunk and have a blast, welcome to the party.

Either way, I win.

(And if this pisses you off, it’s because you’re a crappy tipper. So get over it. :stuck_out_tongue: )

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One of our local pizza places recently set up a cup beside the register labelled “Take Out Tips.” Is this something new? I’ve never seen that before.

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You’re fucking scum. Unless they fit what your definition of a good tipper is, you do them out of what they are paying for?

I fucking pray that you are never my bartender.

I don’t tip on take out pizza, ladybug. I tip on delivery pizza, but not the girl at the register who rings me up on take-out. It’s either hand it to me, or hand it to the delivery guy. shrug (And I’ve never seen a tip jar for it, either. Is it a chain or a locally owned pizza joint?)

I do tip the delivery guy, though…usually 3/4 bucks. (I always get my pizza pretty quickly. I KNOW they keep this info in their database.)

I also tip the people at Starbucks…they know me now, and usually don’t even ring up my coffee. I haven’t figured out if this is good or bad, though.

Maybe I drink too much coffee…?

Audrey, I tip bartenders for pouring me a Coke and your attitude pisses me off.

Some people will sit at a bar and order one drink at a time and tip as each drink is served. Others like my husband will wait until they are done at the bar and then throw a tip down which covers the whole tab. And it’s usually significantly more than what he’d tip on a per drink basis.

Since you have no way of knowing whether he will tip out at the end of the night, you assume he hasn’t tipped you based on that one drink and then proceed to screw him by underpouring liquor all night.

I have one question: If you’ve over-charged someone all night by giving him a thimble full of rum in his drink and charging him $5-$10 for it, will you run after him and adjust his bill if he throws a twenty down at the end of the night? Give him a free bottle of rum?

I didn’t think so.

Problem as I see it is that everyone hates paying taxes, and this tipping system that you 'murricans have, just appears to be a way for employers to avoid paying thier contributions.

I imagine you have city sales taxes, I’d also imagine that if the server/deliverer makes more than 15%( that the IR uses as its tax basis) that this does not get declared.

Since the US seems (at least what I’ve seen of it) to eat out far more than the UK, for example, it looks to me like it is a prime candidate for a black economy, and lost revenue to the government.

How do you feel about paying higher income taxes because bad employers and employees declare as little of their income as they can, in ways that may well be illegal ?

This is not a potshot at anyone, I just hope it will lead to some helpful responses.

You live in Ireland. Your prayers will undoubtedly be answered…and your bartenders undoubtedly get paid a “living wage.”

And the answer to your question is…yep. I guess you didn’t read the flip side of the equation, though, did you…the part where “they fit my definition of a good tipper” and they pay LESS than retail? Thus giving them MORE than they are paying for?

What goes around comes around.

Like I said, it’s your call.

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Have you thought that they tip you based on their definition of good service, rather than yours?

I tip Bar waitstaff per round, as they would be bringing several drinks to the table. I tip well enough, not excessively, but well enough on each round that they make a nice chunk from my table.

I don’t tip barstaff as they get a decent living wage, and I’ve never heard a barman complain.

I’ve been a barman. It was one of the jobs I worked to get through college.

But to assume that people deserved to get ripped off just because they didn’t overtip you makes you an asshole in my book.

PunditLisa–

Look. If you and your husband came to the bar and opened a tab, rather than paying-per-drink, of course I would know that the tip doesn’t come til the tab is closed. (I have to have a credit card in order to run a tab, so this is disclosed immediately.) And I would take care of you and your husband “without proof” because, believe it or not, I’m not just some angry bitch behind the bar who holds liquor for ransom all day long. :slight_smile: I’d be out of a job in a hurry.

But the people who pay for each drink, one by one–which is the majority of people at my bar–and consistently refuse to tip me on my initially generous pour…those people are not gonna be my priority. Sorry. Nor are they gonna get the kind of pour that people who DO tip get. If you had the choice of working for free, or working for cash, which would you choose? What would your priority be? Who would you want at your bar?

This isn’t a revolutionary idea that’s exclusive to me; every bartender I know operates on the same basis. Take care of me, and I take care of you. Just because you didn’t KNOW about this doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen every day…I would assume that you and your husband are good tippers so why on earth would you know about it?

It’s the same reason I tip the delivery guy…my pizza’s at the door within twenty minutes, every time. Is that FAIR to the people who ordered their pizza before I did? Not really. Is it shocking and unbelievable? Nope. Money makes the world go round…period. Otherwise why do we all go to work, anyway?

Of course, by arbitrarily stealing from some customers and giving to others you are abusing any trust your employer puts in you, in a manner no better than if you were giving friends free drinks.

Oh, and please note my absolute agreement with ToF’s points. Who the hell are you to tell your customers what they should tip you?

That’s the difference, TwistofFate…here in America, it’s legal to pay a waiter/bartender $2.13 an hour. Which is hardly a “decent living wage” in any country…we survive solely on tips, so they’re a little more important to American bartenders than they are to Irish ones. It’s a totally different system.

And I have to go run errands and I keep replying to this damn thread! :smack:

Alternatively, there are the non-tipping jobs, like counter help at Dunkin Doughnuts, where they put tip cups up. I dunno, it’s like tipping McDonalds.

Or, what if you get lousy service despite good tipping? Last NYDope, I was treated like garbage for ordering sodas and not alcohol, despite tipping over a dollar a drink.

I tip delivery people. But explain this to me: Our local Domino’s constantly runs a special – if you order a pizza for take-out, you get another pizza for equal or lesser value free. Heckuva good deal.

How can Domino’s afford to do this? If the average pizza costs, say, $12, are some of you saying they they would have to bump up the price another three or four bucks to incorporate a “tip” for the delivery person into the price?

If that is the actual cost of delivery, then Domino’s is losing money every time I order a take-out pizza and get another one free. I’m paying $12 for two pizzas, which means … hang on while I whip out my trusty calculator … the pizzas are six bucks apiece. They can’t be covering their costs on two pizzas for the price of one if their profit margin is that small to begin with.

Or could it be that (gasp) Domino’s is actually making more than three or four bucks per pizza? Could they theoretically pay their delivery people a higher wage and NOT raise the cost of a pizza?

Just a note on how the tipping and tax is supposed to work: you are required by law to declare 12% of your tips. That means that if you sold $400 worth of food, and you actually got $80 worth of tips, you only have to declare $48, which is 12% of $400. Of course, you are breaking the law by not declaring all of your tips, but basically the employers don’t get busted unless the servers are tipping less than 12%. Which is basically impossible to prove when you’re dealing in a mostly-cash business.

At the high-end place I work at, for instance, the whole thing is computerized. Credit cards go through the computer system, too. So at the end of the night, my manager runs a report that says how much food I sold for the resturant, and how much is owed to me in credit card tips. The tips are subtracted from the sales totals. So credit card tips are automatically reported fully, but cash tips are all ours, unless we have NO credit tips. In that case, it would report that we made NO tips, so my manager has the computer declare enough to bring us up to minimum wage.

Shit, I’m late for work. :slight_smile:

Good, considerate, and prompt service is part of the job, regardless of the tipping predilictions of any particular customer.

And not only is it very unprofessional, it’s also very stupid in the long run. The amount of tips you get is ultimately based on the number of people you serve. The number of people you serve is ultimately based on the number of people that come to your particular establishment. The number of people that come is based on many things, but for the restaurant business, one of the biggest factors is word of mouth.

Now, do you think customers who don’t tip well are somehow less likely to talk to their friends and relations about restaurant recommendations? Not hardly. They are just as likely to tell anybody who listens about the crappy service they got at restaurant X, which will in all likelihood reduce the number of potential customers for restaurant X. Or, on the other hand, they could just as easily talk about the wonderful service they got there, especially from server X, which increases the potential customer base, and also your own potential customers.

Giving poor service based on the amount of tip you expect is childish, petty, and, ultimately, bad for your own business.