Haven’t read the rest of the thread yet, but Roland, you are NOT a nurse. From your posts, you are a CNA-a Certified Nursing Assistant. Are you an LPN? LVN? No? And you are not YET an RN–YOU ARE NOT A NURSE; YOU ARE NOT A NURSE; YOU ARE NOT A NURSE; YOU ARE NOT A NURSE; YOU ARE NOT A NURSE.
Sorry, but it bears repeating: Roland: You. Are. NOT. a. nurse.
It is unfortunate that you find the psychomotor skills so difficult. You might want to look into testing/evaluation of those deficits so that your nursing school experience could be adapted and enhanced–ask at the school about the ADA act and nursing programs. There may be help for you there. But do NOT call yourself a nurse, please.
Roland said,“I am extremely “pro life” and consider abortion in most cases to be nothing short of infanticide. Indeed, I consider it a moral wrong on a level that equals slavery and approaches (but doesn’t quite reach) the Holocaust. However, I am told that I MUST respect the position of those who believe that it is an acceptable “choice”. Fine, I will do that at least in the context of secular society when I’m at work and at school. However, I have a hard time getting upset at those who cheat on schoolwork when those who in my mind commit infanticide are welcomed in the circles of respectible humans. I symbolically spit on that value system and all that it stands for and declaire those who subscribe to it to be ethically bankrupt.”
I am ignoring the strange abortion stuff for now. Let’s take it from here:
You symbolically spit on that value system, eh? You declare those who suscribe to a value system other than yours to be morally bankrupt, eh?
Where has anyone said that cheating is OK? Where has anyone (ever) said that abortions are fun and a great way to meet a doctor? (which seems to be your attitude towards the women who must have AB’s–or some sorta shit like that. Have you ever met anyone who has had an abortion? They are not covered in scales. They don’t have cloven feet. But you, you from your exalted moral position :rolleyes: --you have judged these women regardless. Who the hell are you to throw stones?
You, who would rather play on the Internet than play with your son or do your homework–who the hell do you think you are? And then you whine–“don’t pick on me”. get real!
Stop nursing school now, please. Have you NOT had the lecture (ad infinitum when I went) that essentially says, “meet the patient where he is”? As an RN, you are expected to NOT judge those whom you treat, you are expected to SHOW respect, compassion and consideration for those whose values you do not share. You say you’re “fine” with it–with having to put up with “it”. It doesn’t sound like you’re fine to me. First you do no harm–first rule of the Hippocratic oath–that’s medical, but it’s in the Nightingale one, too. “Harm” includes not respecting a person’s gender, age, ethnicity, SES, sexual orientation, language, values. You treat the arrested suspect the same as the nun–to be concrete about it. You are to recognize the essential human-ness of ALL pts.
It’s called being professional. It’s called being a wholistic, compassionate healthcare provider.
I am so angry right now at the crap from this guy, I could puke. You are NO nurse, Mr. Roland–very far from it.
I cannot even begin to equate cheating on an exam with the lady and tiger choice of abortion. To me this speaks to a lack of critical thinking skills (nursing IS critical thinking) that is frightening.
Jeebus-we need nurses, but we don’t need this kind of nurse. You seriously think that you are gonna graduate and get the cushy paperwork job with NO experience as an RN? I hope and pray you’re in a BSN program, if that is the case. An ADN won’t get you far…and you better look straight at MSN, if you want no pt contact to threaten your comfort zone of pre-judgement.
I don’t recall saying that I was a nurse, I thought that I was very clear about my status as a student. I also think you may be missing the larger reason for this thread:
Someone (a computer science teacher) has started a thread about how his stupid students had tried to cheat. I had just got home from a multicultural perspeciives class where the assignment was to identify at least 20 ways that I had oppressed minorities, and or the poor (voting for those who oppose affirmative action was one of the ways listed). My attitude was influenced by an American Religion class that I had last semester where I was taught that I had a duty as a “rational being” in a secular society to respect all religious and ethical perspectives. Examples given by the instructor included those who were Satanists, Ayn Rand followers (objectivists) and even those in NAMBLA who think that “child love” is just great (she said we could oppose the act, but had to respect the intellectual perspective). Well, FINE if I have to be a relativistic pig in order to be a functioning member of society then “you liberals” don’t get to “disrespect” the perspectives which irk you, which may include those who believe in cheating. Of course rules against cheating must be enforced, but if you are going to be consistent with the “nothing can be judged” attitude you must apply it to subjects (such as cheating) that YOU find offensive. This is especially the case since I’m the ONLY one in my multicultural class that is pro-life (and was one of three in my American Religion class who identified themselves as pro life). Well guess what to us abortion for convenience is nothing short of murder. So if we have to go around and act as if abortion is just peachy (or at least refrain from stating an opinion) then this certainly applies to the lessor moral crime of cheating.
No, you don’t have to respect them personally. But you DO have to treat all of your PATIENTS the same, regardless of their beliefs. You can’t withhold treatment from someone if say, you find out the patient had an abortion, or give her shitty nursing care.
See post #145 or 146. See above, also. Do NOT call yourself a nurse–you have not yet earned that privilege.
Ok, I get it. I don’t agree with it. Do I think your professor used extreme examples, to prove her point? Yes. Why do you insist on missing her point? Which is to tolerate different POV–EVEN when you don’t agree with them? How hard is that? Personally, I think NAMBLA is nonsense and perverse, but I am tolerant of the viewpoint. Does that mean I would support such a group in my community? No, and I would not vote for people who did. I think proponents of it are misguided and need education, not firebombings etc. How hard is that? You oppose abortion. OK. But you don’t get to demonize those who have AB’s; you don’t get to treat them with scathing contempt, especially if they are your pt. Capiche? You do get to support legislation etc.
I have a question: how have you oppressed minorities? I think that’s an excellent discussion question for a nursing student–it’s one designed to make you think and to raise awareness of ethnocentricity etc. Why are you taking it personally?
What is this “nothing can be judged” BS? People make judgements every damn day–life is a matter of opinion, if you look at it in a certain way. It sounds to me like you have an extremist professor, by whom you are judging all liberal minded folk–that would be generalizing and it’s wrong, both professionally and personally to do so.
From this thread, I am left with a suspicion that you do not understand the duty you have to your pts–all of them, even the substance abusing, detoxing homeless. Even the ones who have abortions. Yes, even them. What will you do when you are faced with such a pt? Allow your contempt and sanctimonous BS show?
It is a privilege to care for others. You are entrusted with a great deal of responsiblity, with very little authority. It’s a difficult situation and can be stressful. While I do not hold with the school of thought that considers nursing a “calling”, I hold–and like many others in my field–very high standards for those who act as nurses. From your previous posts, you seem to think that RN is just a glorified aide. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Roland, you’re a persistent trainwreck and the schtick’s gotten stale, very stale. You’ve strewn technicolor inanity across several fora, overstuffed with contradictions, rationalizations and the flimsiest connections for yet more controversial hot buttons.
You’re crapping all over the board. We’re sick and tired of it. This is the last warning you will receive. Next stop: Boot Hill. Either rein yourself back or you will be banned.
It seems that the bell tolls for thee Roland, as I predicted shortly after your emergence on this site.
You are clearly an intelligent person, however, that does not excuse your reckless statements.
Pushing the envelope seems to be a favorite sport of yours, this is also the favorite distraction of many others on this board. The other people who remain unwarned, have a knack for not pissing people off, you lack this.
Your personal situation aside, you have a lot of things to straighten out before you can be taken seriously. Most of your questions make you seem like a creepy bastard.
“Different” does not always mean good, unique does not always mean profound, and “edgy” will often get you kicked out of a place that discourages jackassery.
You’ve been warned (arguably) more than any other inflammatory poster here, and you should be smart enough to learn a lesson from that.
Unfortunately though, you’re not. One of two things will happen here, either you’ll be booted, or you’ll back off for a while, and then get booted.
Why am I being warned for sincerely stating my opinions? Which poster (or moderator) have I personally insulted. I’m especially surprised that you seem to have a problem with my second post about “signs that your SO is cheating” since I started that one to ask the question and not include TMI. It would help if the warnings were a bit more specific rather than just saying that I was conducting a train wreck.
By the way if I get banned can I pay another fee for a new account?
I did read the agreement before I registered at least in a cursory sense. I guess I’m just trying to figure out how exactly what I can, and cannot say in order to avoid getting banned. For example, I’m not sure what inspired this latest and most severe warning. If anything the “intensity” of this thread peaked some time ago. I was trying to respond to someone who admitted that they had not read the entire thread and who seemed to have some things wrong about why the thread was posted (which was primarily to protest the tone of a teacher who I thought was being too harsh on his cheating Comp. Sci students).
Again, I’m looking for some clear guidelines so that I can still ask the questions that I wish answered without serious risk of getting banned. If I get banned is there a time limit after which I can reapply? Does the ban also apply to others in my household such as my wife and mother in law? My wife for example intends to use this site to help her with information on possible ways to convert toxic “coal ash” into useful or at least less toxic substances (for her Geology class).
You’ve already admitted you have no problem with cheating to achieve what you want. You’ve also repeatedly and irrepentently broken the main rule of this message board, “Don’t be a jerk.” Why on earth should anyone around here believe you or anyone who purports to be from your household? Why on earth would we want you back?
My religious beliefs require me to treat people with respect, not respect them. It takes a lot for me to respect a person, including evidence that he or she is honorable and compassionate. By your willingness to cheat and the way you’ve posted here, including things you’ve posted despite your wife’s unwilllingness, you’ve shown to me that you have neither honor nor compassion. I’ve been an individualist for over 30 years now and I’ve known and liked and respected a great many of them. While you may hold individual opinions, you strike me as more of a jerk than an individualist.
This message board is an individualist’s paradise. We don’t have appearance, sex, or race to judge you by; we don’t know what groups you belong to or what your cultural background is when you first come here. All we have to judge you by, to form opinions of you by is what you say and how you say it. You, by your own choices and actions, formed the opinion people have of you here. I hope you’ve enjoyed the negative opinion people have formed of you, especially since you’ve deliberately ignored advice on how to change it. I know how good it felt to take wounded pride in how I was being deliberately abused simply for being different from everyone else. I was 15 at the time. I outgrew it, and I found other things were a lot more fun, even though I never gave up my non-conformity.
As I said earlier, if you don’t like the way people are responding to you here, you do still have a chance to change it. If you don’t want to, quit complaining. I have no respect for someone like you, anymore than I have respect for the young man who put getting high above the safety of others and, as a result, drove his car into a minivan holding a family of five. If you want respect, act in a way which merits it.