Airsoft… Nerf Guns… Paintball… kids play with a lot of guns nowadays.
Did you know that there’s a direct correlation between the decline of Spirograph and the rise in gang activity?
A little off topic, but I’m always amused by folks who admit to buying games and immediately cheating to make the game easy, then later complain it was boring.
This isn’t really analogous to most games though, where in most FPS you are the good guy according to the plot shooting at hostile entities that are shooting at you.
In answer to your questions, no I’d have no issue with a hypothetical game containing one or more of those elements, as long as it was R rated (yeah, a vaguely tech-aware kid could still get their hands on it, but the same’s true of porno or movies of RL violence)
First of all, yes, movies, books, and games on all of those subjects should be legally protected, and attempts to ban any of them are, at best, badly misguided.
Secondly, define “extreme” for me. What qualifies a movie as “extreme virtual gun violence?” Are you going strictly by body count, or degree of realism in the effect of gunshots on a person? Is Saving Private Ryan an example of extreme virtual gun violence? Certainly, they show a lot of people being killed with guns, and a lot of the deaths are extremely graphic. Should this film be banned? If not, how do you justify keeping this film, but suppressing (say) Pulp Fiction, which is both less graphic, and has a much lower body count? (I’m making a bit of a leap there in assuming that Pulp Fiction is the sort of thing you think should be banned. Apologies if I’m wrong, feel free to suggest a counter-example of your choice.)
Unlike guns, which kill people, violent video games do not kill people. So no, we don’t have an obligation to look at ways to ban violent video games
Since you’re not going to provide any back-up for these assertions, I will speculate that “hardly a movie” and “90%” are imaginary statistics you pulled from thin air to give a poorly-grounded argument the whiff of respectibility.
Not that you are necessarily wrong, but your “make up facts as you go along” style makes it hard to take you seriously.
There is not a game I know of in existence where the object is to gun down kids.
I fully believe there is no correlation whatsoever between video game violence and real life violence, but regardless, it is the responsibility of the parents of the socially awkward, autistic teen with no friends and no hobbies to keep him away from these games, not society’s.
I’ve played FPS games since Wolfenstein 3d and I can state with almost 100% certainty that the only people I’ve shot in games were those trying to kill me, who were packing guns themselves, or were zombies. As such, if I’m ever up against gun-toting Nazi jihadist zombies, you can damn well bet I’m trained and prepared.
School-kids? Not so much.
Games do not produce child-killers, but some child-killers play games.
Guns do not make murderers, but some murderers use guns.
Muslims are not terrorists, but some terrorists are Muslims.
See how that works?
Painkiller: Battle Out of Hell.
There you go.
I’ve merged chargerrich’s post into this thread (post 48) as well as replies by John Mace and Der Trihs.
May I ask how old you are?
Because, seriously, who didn’t create their own Doom levels back in the day? The only reason I didn’t is because our household had a Mac. (I made Marathon levels instead.)
I’m guessing you’re from a generation that didn’t grow up with video games, and still sees them as “new and weird”. They’re not. You probably made your own Dungeons and Dragons campaign or maybe drew your own superhero comics; we made our own Doom levels and mods.
How about The Dolcett Archives? Those type of cartoons are legal, and as I vaguely remember I once ran across animated cartoons of some of them. There are all sorts of animated and filmed porn online that come damned close to illegal, and some Japanese animated cartoons are pretty much child porn - young girls and tentacles … or one seen at a con young girl tied to a chair and a Nazi zombie. Heck, Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards had Larry patronizing hookers.
Doom 3 had babies, too. I think I remember Dante’s Inferno having baby enemies as well. But in either case they were unrepentant assholes. GoddamnedBats all the way, with unnerving sound effects to boot.
… so, not entirely unlike real babies 
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As long as everyone involved is a consenting adult who shows the proper respect for the well being of the other participants.
Real gun violence can be morally and legally justified - such as when it is in the defence of the innocent against an aggressor - so simulated gun violence against imaginary people can’t be any worse than that. None of your other examples are comparable.
Even if what he’s saying is true about most movies glorifying violence it’s a bit weird to say they lead to crime since violent movies and video games are vastly more prevalent in Japan than the US withTout a comparable amount of crime.
For example, in 2008, the US had 12,000 hand gun homicides while Japan had just 11(no that’s not a misprint). That was also not an off year for Japan. In 2002, they had just 2.
The babies in Doom 3 had wings, were actually Satan’s minions and are actively trying to eat your flesh. Are are creepy as all git-out. :eek: Their childish laugh before attacking is chilling.
Are you really serious? I know this is gb but it seems you are solid on the “let’s ban”. d-wagon.Nothing but pure insanity causes people to go off & snap off & let a few round’s go in a crowded school.And “since” Columbine ? I must assume you must be alittle young as this Debate goes back to non-electronic gaming (D&D).Banning everything tangable is the only way to stop mass-killing’s.But then I suppose we’d have to deal with the “should we chop off hand’s so people can’t blug…” Wait everything’s banned.How can we…???Anyway,I’m off to see my shrink right after I finnish watching this episode of ‘The Walking Dead’. Then off to the gun store,gotta get 'cple x-tra mag’s for my AR in case I have A hard time shooting the x-mas turkey.BYE
You’d get more traction for banning video games if you argued they cause our precious children (the future!) to become fat asocial losers.
Hey ! I resent the implication. I’m *not *fat.