Dopers - Design a City with no Automobiles!

Are there any modern cities that have a setup where there are no automobiles through it? I’m trying to conceptualize how a city might be designed with no autos.

The most obvious logistic (to me) is delivery of goods. How could we move large bulky goods like grocery store items into their respective stores? Answer: the underground!

Public transportation could be handled by trains, buses and walking.

What am I missing? I would LOVE to live in a city with no autos.
OH! I have another problem area: getting groceries home! How are we dealing with that issue?

Parking lots could be setup outside the City for long-range trips.

Ideas! Speculate wildly, but within our current technology please!

Mackinac Island has almost no autos–only the police have them.

They do have a lot of horses, though :wink:

Huge, huge mistakes were made in the 19th century when the Telephone Age, then the Automobile Age began.

Imagine how much better off we’d all be if instead of every home having at least one phone and one car, then multi phones and cars, all that “progress” went into pneumatic tubes. Huge pneumatic tubes.

Every tube from every home would carry everything, from furniture to groceries or even a single article as small as a grain of sand. They would even carry the tube subscriber — and entire families and groups.

Every tube would go to a central location. From there, the transfer to any other of the millions of tubes would be made, including long-distance tubes.

But that never happened. Instead, we’re choking on cars. Because no one thought big.

You could use downtown Minneapolis as a starting point. Nicollet Mall only allows buses and taxis along the 15 block corridor. There are groceries, shopping, living habitats, culture, and employment all within either street level or via the enormous Skyway system allowing commuters to remain isolated from the changing environment.

People are tending to shop as they do in Paris and other European countries with handcarts to carry their groceries.

On top of that, there’s a buzz going on to bring the trolley system back.

I would venture to say that the vast majority of people living in Manhattan do NOT have a car. Then you would say, “So why in the hell are the streets jammed full of traffic?!”

Well, taxis and trucks and delivery vans and limos and yes - cars. But considering the sheer numbers of people who live in Manhattan, the number of personal cars is certainly below average but still causes congestion.

My point is, I think Manhattan could probably switch to a no-personal car policy and still continue to function quite well. Excellent subway system, ample buses, ample taxis and limos, and even a new public bike program. You can even take a horse-drawn carriage.

You might piss off some people who live in the City and need a car to drive out of the city for work, or need a car for deliveries or whatnot - but overall, I think Manhattan would be an ideal city to try banning personal cars and it would not cause their populace any great inconvenience.

I don’t envy the Mayor who puts forth this proposal, but hey - if any city is ready to give it a go, my vote would be Manhattan.

Although I obviously don’t remember an era with no cars, I do remember one with few cars.

In 1946 when I was nine, my family moved to a lower middle class neighborhood in West Philadelphia where relatively few people had cars. We got our first car in 1953. There were three small one man (sometimes with his wife’s help) grocery stores within about 100 yards (90 meters) of our house and a small counter-service A&P about 400 yards away. We went at least once a day, often more often, to one of the nearby groceries, rarely to the A&P. My father worked about a mile away and usually walked, although there was a bus he could take. My mother (who suffered from agoraphobia and really disliked leaving the house) would usually order clothes from department stores, who delivered, and it was my job to take a trolley (that is, tram) downtown to return the ones she didn’t want.

When I got home from school, and all day during the summer, I went out to play on the street until dinner or darkness, whichever came first. The streets carried few cars to interrupt our games and, even more importantly, hardly ever were cars parked on the street. By 1950, there were more and more cars and this way of life was ending.

Oh, yes, there were trucks, often horse-drawn, that came down the street regularly. Fresh fish on Fridays, fresh vegetables during the summer (actually, we had a green-grocer a couple blocks away, but our regular grocers were not equipped to handle fresh produce, although they did sell potatoes and carrots), milk and other dairy products, and, oh yes, blocks of ice. Although we had a fridge, my grandmother a couple blocks away, had an ice-box in my memory. Of course, the horses delivered some unwanted things too.

But although this could always be done with horse-drawn vehicles, it was much more efficient with motorized trucks. Aside from package deliver, there was trash (dry), and a separate garbage (wet) pickup and, nastiest of all, ashes. Until the late 40s, nearly everybody heated with coal (anthracite, as a matter of fact, Pennsylvania being the main source in the entire world) and those ashes were heavy. The pickup was choreographed with big trucks that carried 3 containers and had a crane and one container trucks that did the actual pickup. When they were full, they went to one of the big trucks that used its crane to exchange an empty container with a full one, and when it got full, it drove off to be replaced by one with three empties. I wonder when that ended. We got oil heat in 1950.

The OP asked about car-free and we essentially lived a car-free existence. But vehicle-free is another matter entirely. That would mean not only no trucks, but also no buses or trains. I wouldn’t want to live there. But I live nearly car-free today. Aside from distance trips, I drive to the supermarket once a week and downtown to concerts maybe every other week and otherwise my car sits in the driveway. I drove to Ottawa 2 months ago, filled the tank on the way to Ottawa, drove there and home (Montreal) and still have not bought gas since. I will have to buy some within the next couple weeks though.

A vertical city, or a city within a single structure. In the game Simcity (3?) you could build these things (called arcologies?) that really did nothing but block you view of your city and depending on the type cause pollution. There would need to be infrastructure included to fill the function of cars.

Welcome to the Toronto Islands. :slight_smile:

Ummm … walking is not the same as public transportation. :dubious:

Here’s a little street plan I knocked up a while ago :wink:

There are a fair number of island communities in the US where there are no or very few cars due to the local infrastructure not supporting them well. Many of these islands are not vehicle-free though, as you are going to find people with bicycles and golf carts to some extent.

In addition to Mackinac Island, you also have Tangier Island (VA), Fire Island (NY), Santa Catalina Island (CA), and Little Diomede Island (AK). One thing to note is that US car-free islands tend to be “small town” places rather than huge urban agglomerations. E.g. Tangier Island is pretty much a small fishing village.

If you look at Venice, you can see a great solution to no automobiles that has worked for a millenium. You just need a supply system as you mentioned, Venice uses the canals. DisneyWorld/Epcot use an underground tunnel system to get their supplies around.

I will put in a plug for the coolest concept I’ve seen for changing transportation Schweeb {warning loud music, but I can’t find the original version} for the company website. Google invested in them 4 years ago but it doesn’t look like it has gone anywhere. I did the test track last year and it was awesome. The track is about 400m long, they have you do a one lap acceleration and then go all out for 3 laps. After stopping pedaling I coasted/cruised for 6 laps before they could stop me. I’m a big guy and I was a 0.2 seconds off my age group limit, but still that shows how efficient a small aerodynmic shell with low resistance wheels can be. If I ever make a billion dollars, I am building one- I imagine a university campus would be a great place to extend the proof of concept to a larger setting.

Does Masdar count?

Pneumatic tubes and various drones could be used for basic logistics. Like aerial multirotors to deliver pizza.
I think Disneyland has been a pioneer in using an underground infrastructure level to keep the above ground clean and pedestrian friendly, so research their techniques.

I’d like to see a city without cars too, like how some cities have a little area of a couple blocks that are car-free, its more…human.

Up until 1910, almost every city was car free. Stores carted their goods in early in the morning, and people lived within walking distance of the stores and work. The average city was also much smaller geographically, though than today.