[QUOTE=Thing Fish]
Wow, it’s great to be alive.
I have no idea why scum would have targeted Koldanar. It seems like this is a tricky area, and I don’t think that we can safely assume that Koldanarwas targeted because he was getting close to scum; it seems at least equally plausible that they might want us to think just that. Maybe they killed him because the players he suspected were Town, and they want to send Town barking up the wrong tree. Likewise, I agree that BlaM and fluid seemed like more logical candidates; are they still alive because they’re scum, or because the scum want us to be suspicious of them? Or maybe the scum just thought Koldanar was a generally better player, and their choice had nothing in particular to do with anything that happened Yesterday?
I have reviewed Yesterday, and have sadly confirmed my initial opinion that nothing much was said concerning anything other than my lynch, so we have little to go on.
For now, I’m going to keep my
vote RyJae
mojo workin’, but I’m not loving that vote and I sure hope I can either move it or better justify it by sundown. (And by the way, I would be interested in hearing the veteran’s thoughts about my idea that it is generally pro-Town to get a vote on record very early in the Day)
To refresh your memories, my case against RyJae, excerpted from my post 338:
RyJae’s contributions to this game have been few and mostly consist of criticizing me. Before the bandwagon really got rolling, he attacked me in post 148, just after OD77 had raised one of the first suspicions of me in 146 (though for different reasons). Then, after BlaM casts the second vote for me in 188, he pops up to cast the third vote without much in the way of explanation in 200. Once again, Koldanar suggests in 253 that I was discouraging people from paying attention to BlaM’s thoughts on strategy, and there’s RyJae jumping up to agree two posts later. Looks like a consistent pattern of not wanting to start any bandwagons, but hopping in to keep them rolling and then trying to hunker down and not draw attention to himself. I hope he will have to answer some questions about this Tomorrow.
Just never thought I would get to be the one asking the questions!
Rather hilariously, while I was composing the above RyJae was deciding that I was Town and unvoting me! As you can see in post 339, my initial reaction was suspicion, seeing this as another example of him trying to be on and off the bandwagon at the same time. After the Day ended, I reconsidered and decided his actions best fit the hypothesis that he was telling the truth, that he was Town, thought I was Town and wanted to save me. After all, he still wound up with partial responsibility for a mislynch; the really scummy thing to do would have been to move his vote off of me and somewhere where it wouldn’t matter, rather than putting it on anyrose. So I then couldn’t see any real scum motivation for his vote change.
But THEN, reviewing over the weekend, I found one. By Thursday afternoon, it was known that the experienced and well-respected NAF 1138 was set to sub in for anyrose. **CCK ** mentioned this in post 345, but RyJaecould already have known if he had looked at the replacement recruitment thread. Seems to me there was suddenly a huge scum motivation to prevent Town from getting that massive talent upgrade. Obviously these thoughts would also apply to Unkempt’s vote change.
Gotta run, back later to talk about why I’m still far from totally sold on this RyJaevote.
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Thing Fish, this is a very lucid post that does a good job of outlining a lot of the reasons I found RyJae very suspicious after finishing catching up on Yesterday. I was unaware of the NAF angle you mention as well. That said, even without it, the anyrose vote has at least as much motivation for scum as it does for town. Consider, be you town, he doesn’t want to be on that Bandwagon, and be you scum, he doesn’t want to kill you. He posts a question of “What would you do differently?” Why would a townie do that? If you’re town, it won’t help him find scum. If you’re scum, you’re already dead, so anything you’d say to that is completely useless. The only motivation I can see is that he’s trying to find an excuse to unvote you and pretty much anything you’d say in response to that question would be “Seems townie enough for me”.
So why the vote for anyrose? If he’s scum, he wanted another wagon so it would look like genuine suspicion rather than a completely random other person. Also, at the point he voted, your death seemed like a foregone conclusion, so the anti-motivation that he would still be a part of a mislynch doesn’t really apply. OTOH, if you are also scum, anyrose was also the most likely wagon that would overcome yours, so that’s ALSO sufficient reasoning as to why he might vote there.
IOW, regardless of whether you’re actually townie or scum, his actions are fairly consistent with scum motivation for either scenario, and much less consistent with an unknowing townie.