I don’t know, Oredigger. On the one hand, you don’t want to throw your vote away and let everybody else vote town, of course. But on the other hand, shouldn’t you always vote for whoever you find scummiest? If nothing else that shows a clear message of who you suspected, if you die.
I disagree that we gain no knowledge if Thing is town. We may not gain as much info as if he is scum but we still build a stronger case for scum encouraging town vs town. Once understand what was happening it will be easier to figure who was causing it.
Sure, we gain knowledge if Thing is town, but don’t you think there are more likely fish to fry today? Despite the fact that one of them is you?
A few quick thoughts on the various candidates, then I have to go but will try to check in at the end of the day to make sure that nothing too dramatic has happened.
I can buy Hoopy’s explanation for his passitivity and don’t necessarily view it as scummy. His contributions have mostly struck me as well reasoned (if relatively few in number). But “I didn’t have time to read the thread thoroughly enough to cast an informed vote” is not exactly a helpful-to-Town sentiment, even if not scummish. Hopefully he will be able to make more time in the future.
I’m not sure what to think of **OD77’s ** continued voting for me. I can agree with him that we would gain insight into Yesterday’s dramatic ending by lynching one of the principals, although I don’t necessarily agree that that would be the most constructive use of our lynch Today. However, I don’t see why lynching me would give us more information than lynching **RyJae ** or Unkempt would, and I would be interested in hearing OD expand on this.
As far as I know, (and I would be interested in hearing veteran’s thoughts on this) it is pretty much universally agreed that one should vote for the person one finds scummiest. So, OD’s thoughts to the contrary seem like an insistence on following bad strategy, which is unhelpful to Town but not necessarily a scumtell. The fact that this particular bad strategy gives him an excuse to switch his vote at the last minute, however, definitely warrants a :dubious: . I don’t think this adds up to enough to warrant an eleventh-hour vote switch on my part, especially since I won’t have time to consider it carefully before the deadline, but if OD is still with us tomorrow I will consider him a person of interest.
See you all at sundown.
Obviously paragraph 3 above is not meant to imply that I think it would be a good idea to lynch RyJae at this point!
And another NETA: He is not only planning to switch his vote at the last minute, but to switch it to the person he finds scummiest, whose identity he has not (so far as I can remember offhand, could be wrong) chosen to offer any hint about? This seems very interesting!
Bah… I don’t think I have time to really put together any bit of a decent case against Hoopy right now, especially since I don’t completely remembe what my train of thought was, and even if I’m right, it would be a last minute vote switch, so I’m just going to leave that one for Tomorrow. Instead, I’m going to evaluate our leading candidates. At this point, I think bufftabby is the only one so far who has put together a reasonable case against OreDigger, but it is a pretty decent one.
The key point is that they ARE smudges, and not FOSes, he never actually says he’s suspicious of me. Now, I don’t like the term FOS either, so I try to be conscious of that and always specifically say something like “I find such-and-such supscious” or some other unambigous way. In the first post bufftabby quotes, he specifically says “no FOS” after mentioning that I’m leading people around by the nose and it bothers him.
The second post is a litte more subtle, but saying something pinged you isn’t the same as actually casting suspicion. For instance, my mentioning bufftabby was playing differently was a ping, but it wasn’t in any way saying “I’m actively suspicious of this person”. At the same time, he says I’ve pinged him, but doesn’t mention what pinged him specifically, I can only imagine it’s my aggression, which he’d already said he wasn’t going to FOS.
The other candidate is Unkempt One. Bottom line is, the case really comes down to an illadvised vote switch. Looking at how he’s been responding, I’ve grown doubtful that the move was necessarily scummy, and more than it was just a newbie mistake. So, I think he still deserves scrutiny, but I’m less willing to put my vote back there
Unvote Hoopy Frood
Vote OreDigger
That all said, if OreDigger comes up scum, I think it probably looks pretty good for Thing Fish. Also, let it be known that I’m still suspicious of Hoopy Frood and intend to pursue my case on him Tomorrow.
One should always vote for who he believes scummiest, unless there’s good reason not to. For instance, I am still most suspicious of Hoopy Frood, but pursuing that case at this point would be pointless at best and drastically anti-town at worst as last minute vote switches muddy the waters, even if correct.
I think it makes good sense to vote for one of the top candidates if you’re still very suspicious of at least one, even if not your top candidate. However, often, if you don’t find one of the top candidates most suspicious, you will probably find neither particularly suspicious, or just that your candidates is head and shoulders above the others in your mind.
You have to remember how your vote will be perceived. If you vote one off, without looking back and re-reading everything, it means either you didn’t find the main candidates suspicious OR you just found him a lot more suspicious. If, OTOH, your second candidate is only a hair less suspicious than your main, and your main is a one-off, but your second is a primary candidate, I’d say vote for him.
Bottom line, you have to make sure to maximize information and the last thing you’d want is to see someone you’d vote for Tomorrow anyway get saved by a last minute vote swing.
So, the short answer is, generally yes, but not always.
I haven’t been quite sure what to say about OD. The smudging argument is one that I’m a bit leery of, because I find that when I play Town, I try to get my suspicions down frequently. When I don’t have a clear picture just yet, I’ll try to pass on what I think in case I end up being a kill target. Yes, we want people to clearly explain votes, and yes, voting for other candidates and never voting for your ‘top suspects’ tends to ring a bit fishy. Still, I’m not sold.
We have a concrete case that The Unkempt One did last-minute vote switch for what appear to be rather spurious grounds.
Whom we’d learn the most if they turn up scum is arguable, but in my opinion it seems best to target the best scum target. I’m just not convinced, so I’m leaving my vote where it is.
About 3 hours until deadline.
Vote Count
**The Unkempt One - 5 ** (Hoopy Frood, fluiddruid, Thing Fish, cckerberos, Zsofia)
**Oredigger77 - 4 ** (RyJae, peekercpa, bufftabby, Blaster Master)
**fluiddruid - 1 ** (The Unkempt One)
**Thing Fish - 1 ** (Oredigger77)
Not Voting
Dotchan
At this point I suppose that I could switch my vote to tie things up, but I am not going to. If the town wishes to lynch me, so be it. When my lifeless body reveals itself to be town through and through I want to you look at who voted for me, and what reasons they gave. Were the reasons they gave honest, well thought out reasons that addressed the many posts that I wrote explaining my vote change? Or, as some of the people who have voted on me have done, do they completely ignore the reasons that I gave to change my vote and simply point an accusing finger and refuse to hear any of my arguments?
And by the way, I am going to leave my vote on** fluiddruid**. She has done little this game other than vote for me toDay, and I feel that she hasn’t really done much to help search for scum…other than pointing out the obvious fact that I changed my vote at the last moment!
Well the way I look at it if we lynch RyJae or Unkempt it doesn’t tell us anything about the other one or you for that matter. One of them being lynched and proven to be scum doesn’t give us any insight into the actions of the others. But you being lynched can help us to frame their action given that we already know what anyrose was. Let me use an example to clarify if Unkempt is scum what that tells us is he could have been looking to build cred by lynching scum you or he could have been trying to distance himself from a townie lynch. On the other hand if he is town he could have stumbled onto scum you and then been convinced other wise. Of course neither of these scenarios tell us anything about RyJae. But in my idea we lynch you and find out your town now we can co back and see which of them was trying to build a bandwagon based on conjecture. Sure we could look for that either way but we would only know that is was conjecture and not actually seeing scummy tendencies with your lynch. Not sure if this answers you question fully but its the best I have.
As for who else I think is scummy like I said originally before I tried to get my idea rolling it is obviously RyJae or Unkempt. Unlike what Thing said I did already list these two as the most scummy in post #527.
I also said that I don’t believe RyJae’s detective claim due to his reasons for claiming and I even posted how those reasons don’t make sense. According to BlaM I should vote for him because I find his actions on Day 1 combined with any early role claim very scummy. But just incase he is right I think I will vote for Unkempt. A little earlier then I said I would but I don’t see an hour mattering.
Unvote Thing Fish
Vote The Unkempt One
Also with Peekercpa voting for me for lurking Dotchan still hasn’t voted and I’ve been posting like crazy the last couple of days. WTF?
What happened to finding BlasterMaster so scummy? Now that you’ve been called on your smudges, you don’t have much to say about it.
Well I did address it above in fact you commented on it in #577
But in case you are commenting with out reading I will repost what I have done about thinking BlaM.
Post #574
In other words, to make it abundantly clear, since you seem to need it multiple times, BlaM hasn’t done anything that even pinged me since his strategy posts at the beginning of Day 1. I am still watching him so I can point out anything scummy that he does. But I won’t vote for him until he does more then tell us the right thing for us to do.
10 minutes until deadline…
Goodbye cruel world!
[QUOTE=The Unkempt One]
At this point I suppose that I could switch my vote to tie things up, but I am not going to. If the town wishes to lynch me, so be it.
Well, it’s now 6-4 with two minutes to go, so it doesn’t matter, but this is bogus. Assuming you are town, you should definitely vote to tie it up, since you know that that is the only outcome which gives us a chance of lynching scum today.
Of course, if you’re scum, more power to you.
And now we’ll find out…
End of Day Two Vote Count
**The Unkempt One - 6 ** (Hoopy Frood, fluiddruid, Thing Fish, cckerberos, Zsofia, Oredigger77)
**Oredigger77 - 4 ** (RyJae, peekercpa, bufftabby, Blaster Master)
**fluiddruid - 1 ** (The Unkempt One)
Not Voting
Dotchan
The Unkempt One closes his eyes, as the town leads him to the gallows. He holds his head high as he climbs the ladder. “I’m sorry, but this is for the good of the town,” whispers an anonymous voice from behind. “If the town wishes to lynch me, so be it,” he replies, while raising the noose over his uncombed hair.
A lever is pulled. The body drops quickly, and snaps to a stop, as something falls from his pocket. A painless death, but what is that small black object? The crowd gathers around it, and some one picks it up. It is a small revolver, loaded with a single bullet, and the word “justice” engraved in the handle.
The Unkempt One, a one-shot vigilante, and a devoted Townie, has been lynched.
We suck, don’t we?
Go Town!
AVENGE ME!!!