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741

Ugh, work SUCKED today, little time to think or post and the deadline coming up fast.

Between our detectives, I am inclined to believe peekercpa, mainly because I can’t see good scum motivation for making a false claim. If RyJae is real and there was no counterclaim, we would presumably have lynched **cck ** today, lost RyJae tonight and been left at 5-3 with not much info, a setup which heavily favors scum. On the other hand, if peeker is lying and gets lynched, we get both cck and peeker, which puts us right back in it. It seems like a football team with a big lead throwing the bomb; why would they do that when they’re almost assured of winning with conservative play. But then, scum can make mistakes, too, and Og knows we are overdue for one.

OTOH,I am finding it somewhat a strain to my credulity to believe that cck was sitting right there when I asked about peeker’s breadcrumbs and helpfully reread the thread to pinpoint them; I mean, why bother, when peeker himself would presumably be along soon to answer the question? But it’s certainly not impossible that cck just felt like doing that…

I am in agreement with the argument others have so exhaustively laid out that we should not vote for either Detective today and see what the Night brings.

WRT to the Oredigger wagon, I just don’t know. Much of it seems to rely on **buffy’s ** (568) interpretation of OD’s 340:

I agree that Thing has done a good job of explaining himself but I disagree about peekercpa. On my one reread of the day I just don’t see anything that jumps out as scummy. If anything I think Blaster has pinged me more.

This was read as him saying that BlaM was scummier than me, who he was actually voting for, which would be weird. However, I read it as OD saying that he thought BlaM was scummier than peeker, which would mean he could still see me as the scummiest of all. So I was initially unimpressed with buffy’s argument, and even a tad suspicious of her for pushing it so hard. However, if OD did mean what I thought he meant, why hasn’t he said so?? His failure to do this makes me think that buffy did read it correctly and was right to be suspicious.

I am not at all impressed with the “PIS” response to his use of the phrase “the real detective”; he had already made it abundantly clear that he didn’t buy RyJae’s claim, so I think this part of the case is much ado about nothing.

The weirdest thing I noticed OD do is one that nobody seems to have commented on: early in Day Three, he attacked and voted for RyJae, then excused himself by saying (in 659) that he had started posting without bothering to read the Night results. Who does that?* That* seems much PISsier to me. And also, even without knowing the Night results, why in the world would you vote for someone who had claimed to be the Detective and who nobody had yet counterclaimed??

So I don’t feel I have a great read on Oredigger, but there is definitely something weird about him. I had considered voting for dotchan based on the above FOS, her failure to cast any vote at all Yesterday, and her lurker-who-replaced-a-lurker status (thinking of **Ice Cream Man/zuma ** in Simpletown). But time is short, I don’t want to cast a one-off vote, and since I am assuming BlaM is Town (since if he’s the Godfather, I think we’re just screwed), I will take his word for it that dotchan’s FOS was not as misguided as it appeared to my (admittedly biased) view.

Sooo… although I wish I had more time to think about it, I will select from among the two main candidates the one who seems weird and is certainly not the Detective:

vote Oredigger77.

Hopefully third time will be the charm.

742

Exactly my point all along if everyone reads not just his but the cohorts I pointed out numerous, numerous times its obvious they all KNEW someone else was going to claim. Because they talked about it on the scum boards. That right there is why I am actually pissed off playing right now, because it is cut and dry and town is allowing them to dictate still, even though they screwed up hardcore! But no one wants to lynch for sure scum, they want to allow the fake detective claim to stop the lynch of a for sure scum, and when he goes down then you can be damn sure you can drop peekercpa and the rest of them night after night.

But as it stands now, BlaM is encouraging this very thing, makes NO SENSE from a town standpoint he can argue until he is blue in the face but his strategy is a failure and his readings on other players are about as bad as can be, and BlaM that’s not like you so yeah not cool.

Basically it boils down to me making a passionate plea to read through like you did, and see how they “worked as a team” simple really. And so freaking obvious it makes my head hurt that after I type it out a scum follows along and says something totally off the wall and distracts the conversation. Or even worse someone I confirmed as town coming along and muddying the waters with faulty logic. ARGH!

743

Well Thing I’m sorry to inform you that you’re about to go three for three. As for your post you are mostly right I did think you were the scummiest on Day 1 and did find BlaM scummier then peekercpa. I can’t believe I didn’t make that clear. Oh well maybe next game. As for you assumption of my PIS I’m afraid your wrong there. As I stated in my second post of the day I didn’t refresh AFTER the night results post. Unfortunatly I was posting from my phone and once I start typing my post I can’t refresh or I lose what I’ve typed so far. I started typing as soon as the results were in but made a booze run in the middle of typing it took a while. In fact it was over an hour.

As for my voting changing, basically I think that gathering knowledge is the most useful thing we can do unless we have better choices. I was told on day 2 that this is a bad idea after the Thing Fish debocal. So coming into Day 3 I decided to follow that advice. But once I saw that RyJae named scum I saw another option. Since the doctor was dead and Ry was the only claimed detective I figured if he was the detective he would get night killed which would confirm cc as scum. Which meant that we could elimate those two from the day 3 voting. I stated this in my post and swiched my vote to the next scummiest so thats where I placed my vote. But the my worst luck struck and peeker claimed. At this point I figured that I had a 50 - 50 shot between them with what I feel is a good read on one, so I changed my vote.

I’ll state it again hoping for a response this time but I think its a bad idea to not vote for a detective claim. There is no incentive for the scum to night kill the detective killing confirmed town will allow allow another day of investigation but we won’t know which one to believe and will be forced into either voting again for an unclaimed person or voting between them. The identies of scum won’t matter if we give them two night kills and miss lynch because then they can admit and vote as a block.

I’ll elaborate if anyone wants me to once I’m at a computer tomorrow.

744

And this is a little counter to my elemental nature but it worked in Simpletown. For us town to pull this off we’ve got to get an unconfirmed type for us to have a chance, IMHO of course. I’ve only got to hope that there is some sort of town role blocker in play. Since there has been no Mason claims it seems imbalanced that there would be potentially 4 scum and 10 town. And with no Masons, at least so far’ there has got to be no way that there is a godfather (unless it is currently 7 - 3). Just doesn’t seem fair I mean we had a one shot vig but that cuts both ways. Therefore, I have to agree that getting the scummiest player other than our false detective out of the way makes the most sense.

Unvote RyJae

Vote OreDigger777

And I am kind of doing a “La La La” in my head when I read RyJae’s posts at this point.

745

And there is no disrepect intended here. On re - read this came across snarky to me. I am still reading his posts. I just am not putting a whole lot of faith in them at this point.

746

I couldn’t agree with you more on both of those points. I see that he has at least responded to your first point, but I don’t see why anyone even had to bring it up again if there truly was a misinterpretation at play.

747

I’d like to point you all to my post number 742

748

[QUOTE=Oredigger77]
As for you assumption of my PIS I’m afraid your wrong there. As I stated in my second post of the day I didn’t refresh AFTER the night results post. Unfortunatly I was posting from my phone and once I start typing my post I can’t refresh or I lose what I’ve typed so far. I started typing as soon as the results were in but made a booze run in the middle of typing it took a while. In fact it was over an hour.

Well, OK. I am a Person Of A Certain Age and have never used a phone to connect to teh interwebs in my life (how do you post using the dial, anyway?), so I will take your word for it. This may explain why nobody else seemed to jump on this point at the time. But I still don’t get why you would vote for the as-yet-uncounterclaimed Detective, no matter what his alleged investigation result was.

749

Well, in following the tradition of our previous townie lynches I’m going to talk about general strategy today since I see no way that I’m coming back from being down 2-7 with RyJae being the only hold out. I do want to note before I get lynched that RyJae has railed against me consistently using such wonderful phrases such as scummy as scum is scummy but his vote is somewhere else at this point, keep that in mind after I die.

We are going to be coming out of the night looking at a 4-4 or 5-3 situation with two detectives who each have three reads so between them (in theory) there will be 6-7 people who have their alignment verified somehow depending on whether a confirmed person gets killed or not. I’ve stated it before but there is no reason for a detective to be night killed because until they do we have 0 confirmed townies except for BlaM and as I’ve been told that can be the most powerful role in the game. So I figure that is who they’ll kill tonight.

With that as my premise I’ll try to suggest some things to do but based on the way things have gone so far it’ll get ignored anyhow. Fluid, BlaM, Peeker, cckerberos, Thing Fish and I all feel that RyJae, likely is not the real detective. My math may be faulty here but that’s 6 people who don’t believe RyJae and see his actions as scummy on the other hand 4 have not disagreed with him. Out of the 6, 3 are town by peeker’s claim and I’m soon to be confirmed post mortem which should easily imply where the scum are hiding. If the town is going to follow BlaM’s strategy of letting the scum tell us who the detective is then that group of bufftabby, Dotchan, and Hoopy Frood should be tomorrow’s focus. I still don’t think that this is a good idea because it is the definition of letting the scum dictate the game. I would recommend instead picking a detective to vote for hopefully getting it right and trying to take control back.

One last note to Thing; I was thinking during the night that voting by strategy wasn’t working and more likely to get me lynched then lead to any one following my strategy, so I changed tactics like I was advised and voted for who I felt was scummiest. RyJae has done some seriously untown things not including his shrill rants today and self-lynch proposals. I didn’t see any way he could be the detective and act this way and concluded that he wasn’t the real detective. Without the worry of him being a detective it was just a matter of voting for the scummiest. I honestly didn’t look at his investigation results because at that time the only result was BlaM and until the detective is killed everyone he calls town is going to say yes he’s right whether or not they’re scum. Once he called cc scum and the doctor was dead I saw we had another option and went back to my original plan of strategy if he was the detective without a counterclaim he would get night killed and be confirmed. This would cause a cc lynch once it was verified and meant we could take a free day to find other scum. I dropped down to my number two scum who then claimed detective and ruined my day. I’m really out of ways to explain my actions but if any further questions remain I’ll try to answer them. I’ll try to make a couple more strategy posts today to give you guys something to thing about once I’m dead and I recommend that BlaM does the same.

750

The reason I’d rather not vote for you is because I was going to investigate you tonight, since I know cck is scum, and peekercpa they seem like the better choice to me, as a freaking town player. You know birds in a hand vs birds in the bush.

751

Vote Count
**Oredigger77 - 7 ** (Blaster Master, bufftabby, fluiddruid, Dotchan, Hoopy Frood, Thing Fish, peekercpa)
**RyJae - 2 ** (cckerberos, Oredigger77)

Not Voting
RyJae

752

Well my vote means shit right now but I’ll go with one of the two that are for sure scum, way to get guided by the nose town.
vote peekercpa

753

Ok now I understand you were kidding at the beginning of the day when you said not to vote for cc and we should vote for other scum (#632), and then called me the scummiest of the scum (#643). Or maybe you were joking about your intent to investigate players who are under the radar and likely to be alive for a while (#631) because that sure isn’t me that last time I checked. There is a third possibility and that would be that you think that me with 3 times the number of votes of any other play is still the bird in the bush, but naw that would just be silly and you would never be silly.

754

I could not agree more with this. One of the three of BlaM, peekercpa, and ryjae is almost certain to go down tonight, and I think it would definitely be best if all three of you could get as much information on the table as possible before the Day is over. The more we have to work with Tomorrow, the closer we’ll be to keeping the Town alive.

755

To be fair that was a quote from me not RyJae but I’m back for my next installment.

In order to decide between RyJae and Peeker tomorrow without any additional information I think that looking at the confirmed list is going to be important obviously the detective is going to give out correct information but the scum will try for a townie lynch in order to clinch the victory.

This could be done one of three ways the first being declaring a townie scum second would be by calling a scum town and then pushing for a lynch of the unknowns and finally for pushing for a lynch of the detective. Unfortunately this set of actions also covers what a legitimate detective will be trying to do. So looking at those claimed instead of the detective will be helpful to determine which claim to believe.

I think that throwing a scum under the bus is not likely once the scum are tied with us as it would only prolong the tie. This should mean that a scum claim tomorrow that looks valid based on investigation should validate the detective making the claim while calling someone who seems townie scum should destroy that detective’s claim. But based on the way the towns luck has been going this game I’d bet that both claims will be of townies tomorrow. I have to be honest if that happens I’m not sure what should be looked for except to investigate all of the claimed and look for a trend of protecting the scummy but only 3 distinct people will have been protected at that point so a trend will be impossible.

That’s the best I can do on my lunch I’ll try and be back before 5 to flush out the idea. Feel free to ask questions it helps me to organize my thoughts.

756

My question especially to Ryjae (since he said it) but also to you Oredigger is, who are the people who are ‘leading town by the nose’? Who are the scum players who are controlling the town? I admit I haven’t been taking an aggressive role this game, but just siding with the logic I think best. If both of you turn up town, do you believe that makes Blaster Master scum? Obviously peekercpa would be on the list, but who else?

757

Sorry, preview runs everything together on my Blackberry.

758

Well my most likely scum list has kinda been shot to hell at this point. But I’ll give it a shot. RyJae, cckerberos, Hoopy Frood, and I’ll end with an OMGUS at Bufftabby.

My reasons against Ry are pretty well catalogued at this point so I’ll skip that one. I think that the scum decided they needed someone on the inside so Ry threw cc under the bus but this works both ways and if Ry is discovered before cc gets lynched, Ry’s comment immediately about not lynching cc, then cc gets to become honorary town it’s a win-win for the scum.

Now Hoopy is an interesting case mainly because she hasn’t posted much during Day 3 when all the interesting stuff has happened, 4 posts. In the third of these posts she asks me a question but then completely ignores the answer and in her 4th votes for me. This got me to go back and look over her posting history. She posted 22 times on Day 1 and 14 on Day 2 most of her post were insightful but its seems like the more interesting things that are going on in the town the more she tries to fade into the back ground. Look at the vote history she only had one vote on Day 2 and it was for unkempt this seams suspicious since he seemed to be everyone else’s second choice. On day one Hoopy’s vote was for the lurkiest player but only after that player had been replaced (twickster). All of this combined makes her highly suspicious to me.

Like I said Bufftabby is basically a OMGUS she has been very against me the last two day and has never commented on any of my explanations which even RyJae does occasionally but her arguments against me are sound, with out my special knowledge that you all will soon have. But after you have it go back and reread her posts against me they seem a bit more pushing for a lynch than exploring for information.

759

You’re talking about frustration… this is probably more frustrating for me, because I’m trying to find something to substantiate a difference between the two of you other than timing (which isn’t worth a whole lot) and a gut reaction. All I keep seeming to get is a frustrated response about why I’m not willing to lynch confirmed scum.

So tell me, you’re in my shoes, and you don’t know which of you two is telling the truth. You say he’s lying, he says you’re lying, and you’re both acting frustrated that we’re not believing one and lynching the other. In the meantime, we’re gaining no information about how to differentiate the two of you in the event that the scum elect not to kill one of you Tonight.

So, how the hell is this not like me? I don’t get the point of this AT ALL.

760

Two quick points, since I don’t remember how long is left in the Day.

  1. No mason claims yet, so we should not buy any if they are claimed later.

  2. Both investigators should investigate in the pool not tied to the detectives. That is, I think you should pick between Hoopy, buffy, Thing and dot. While you’re at it, try to pick the one you find most townie or least scummy (however you wanna look at it). Don’t say who it is Today.
    I’m putting this out there because it is not unlikely that I’ll die Tonight if the scum decide they don’t wanna break up the duel detective dynamic.