[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
Speaking of which, where was your breadcrumb of your investigation of me prior to claim? Since you agree with me on that point, surely you left one earlier in the Day cause you weren’t expecting to claim then… right?
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That’s right so in my first post I of yesterday I wrote
Now alone doesn’t sound like much but considering you where not even a suspect on anyones mind I figured if I was to be killed it would cling some bells in the heads of fellow townies.
NETA: Nevermind, I forgot you had already pointed it out.
And yes, I’m a snarky asshole.
[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
Obviously, if you’re telling the truth, you must be convinced that Ryjae is a liar; I appreciate that, but I don’t think that’s in the best interest of the town. While it’s elementary for you to know that one person is definitely scum, we don’t have that luxury. OTOH, we ALL have more information about the other group, because there’s five posters there and, if you’re telling the truth, there’s probably three scum in there. If we believe you and lynch Ryjae,
We know that you know that there’s three scum amonst Thing Fish, dotchan, bufftabby, Hoopy Frood, and Oredigger. So, why don’t you help us look in that group? If you’re telling the truth, you’ll still die tonight, but then we’ll have a 100% certain lynchable in Ryjae Tomorrow. And if by some chance you don’t die, you’ll have a chance to give us another reading.
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[Snipped a wee bit]
Dude I am trying. The only fucking town use I had in Simpletown was breaking the freaking game.
Now we have a lying scun claiming detec and two potential confirmeds.
Ok you want to know. RyJae is a liar - unless there are two detecs. Does that make him scum - I’ve gotta believe so. I think that his vote for cckerberos is either a bussing or the death knoll for the town. I know that he is frigging lying about his role. I’ll get down with a majority town lynch on my last vote. I would like to go out with one mother friggin’ scum on my rope.
And now my math comes in. If we lynch someone not semi confirmed - thing, buff, hoop, ore or dot. I just have to believe that there are at least two scum here. As well as I believe that there are two scum between the rest of us. I want to take out a known scum, RyJae and then let you guys figure it out.
Then:
Oredigger
Qnd then
Hoopy
My two cents: Can I get change from this twenty?
And for the “breadcrumb” challenged. I know that I would not have played it this way with a field full of vets. No knock to the “newbs”. Fuck a RoOsh would have probably posted a half page at this point.
I am a “newb” and this was the best way of saying who I am. Now I just got Blam and fluid targeted without whole lot of help. Sorry.
Oh boy, just semi-caught up and I am totally confused at this point. I will commemorate this moment of total confusion as follows:
unvote cckerboros.
At the moment I am leaning towards buying BlaM’s argument about not lynching a detective candidate and would probably lean towards Oredigger, but I want to read and think more before revoting.
And looks like my suspicion of BlaM was yet another instance of my unfailingly poor judgment…
see y’all tomorrow
[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
Huh? One minute you say you’re willing to accept cckerberos as provisionally town and now you think we’d get information from killing him? This makes no sense. If he comes up scum, we gain no information. If he comes up town, we’re dead even with scum, and we essentially confirmed 3 townies and damn Ryjae, but get no information about the rest.
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Ack, sorry, wasn’t being clear about that. The provisional acceptance of cckerberos as Town was made under the assumption that peekercpa is telling the truth.
I was also making the (possibly erroneous) assumption that cckerberos turning up scum would almost completely confirm ryjae (and by extension, confirm you as town and peekercpa as scum).
[QUOTE=RyJae]
Wow thats bad, so if you got taken out you didn’t want to leave any help for your fellow townies… yeah right. The purpose of crumbs is so if you get killed prior to being able to tell anyone your findings they can go through and see who you investigated in a subtle yet there way.
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You are wrong. I guess I am just not sophisticated enough to play this game. I did not want an inadvertant “breadcrumb” to implicate a fellow townie. That’s why I had them point at myself. I wanted to last one more day, get another investigation under my belt and then be a Naf. I think that you have made this impossible at this point, however.
[QUOTE=RyJae]
Wow thats bad, so if you got taken out you didn’t want to leave any help for your fellow townies… yeah right. The purpose of crumbs is so if you get killed prior to being able to tell anyone your findings they can go through and see who you investigated in a subtle yet there way.
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Liar liar pants on fire. Not what I said at all.
I was saying that I did not want to inadvertantly take out an innocent town especially if they had had some experience or advice to add.
Gd. You have to be the scummiest one I have ever seen play this game. I’ll go for an alternate stretching today 'cause it make sense strategically - but eventually you swing.
And I’d say flippin lynch me to prove your scumnitude. But you know, that would be bad town advice so I can’t propose it.
Whoops, where have I seen something like this?
Can we at least kill one scum before this game is over? Sheesh.
[QUOTE=peekercpa]
Liar liar pants on fire. Not what I said at all.
I was saying that I did not want to inadvertantly take out an innocent town especially if they had had some experience or advice to add.
Gd. You have to be the scummiest one I have ever seen play this game. I’ll go for an alternate stretching today 'cause it make sense strategically - but eventually you swing.
And I’d say flippin lynch me to prove your scumnitude. But you know, that would be bad town advice so I can’t propose it.
Whoops, where have I seen something like this?
Can we at least kill one scum before this game is over? Sheesh.
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You're funny, can you do a stand up act, dare I say you would be as funny as Carrot Top.
I realize town has most likely lost because scum did a fine job coordinating that false claim of yours, but I'll personally know I did everything I could to help town out when I go down. Just as you know now you did a fine job helping scum out.
[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
If you have no idea which between the two of them is scum, why are you choosing? If you are, in fact, pro-town, then you have information I do not; you know for a fact that you’re town. This means that you get the luxury of knowing one more pro-town player than I do, which means when examining the group of five that I put forth, you know that it’s likely that 3 of the 4 of them are scum. Why would you insist on choosing between two people on a 50/50 chance when you have, at worst, a 50% chance, on average a 62.5% chance, and most probably at 75% chance of hitting scum between Thing Fish, bufftabby, Dotchan, and Hoopy Frood?
-snip-
Finally, your vote switch makes no sense. At first you say you have no idea which is scum between them, but then you switch your vote to Ryjae without explaining in the interim why you suddenly went from not knowing to thinking Ryjae is necessarily more scummy.
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Sorry it took me so long to respond. I disagree with your reasoning about who the pool is to choose from in and that changes the numbers. I think cckerberos, Dotchan, Thing Fish, Bufftabby, and Hoopy Frood should all be included on a list from my perspective. The reason I add cckerberos is because there is no claim outside of his own that he is town and he hasn’t claimed a power role. This leaves me 5 to vote from with 2 – 3 being scum, giving me a 40-60% chance of hitting right on a random guess. But here is the kicker it would be random, I’ve had no scummy reads on these people outside of Thing the first day. On the other hand I have a guaranteed 50 – 50 between RyJae and Peekercpa and have seen enough to believe that RyJae is scummy (see any of my posts against him for why I chose him over peeker). Which I think raises my chances. This should answer both of your questions.
[QUOTE=Hoopy Frood]
A few questions for you Oredigger (and for that matter, anyone else voting for one of the detectives at this point), why do you think voting to lynch a detective is better than voting for an unknown not connected to any of the detectives? Do you not think scum will kill the real detective tonight? If not why not? Do you really think the minimal confusion factor caused by leaving the real detective alive tonight will offset the danger of further investigations? If not, wouldn’t it be better to vote for someone who’s not connected to these (i.e. me, you, Dotchan, Thing Fish, or bufftabby)? I originally was considering voting for a detective, but BlaM makes a very good argument for why this would be a bad thing. Town shouldn’t spend it’s votes on situations that will sort themselves out. I’m not sure who I’m voting for, but it’ll be between you, Dotchan, Thing Fish, or bufftabby. Everybody else is confirmable through the death of one of the detectives. While it’s possible there is at least one other scum other than the fake detective among the list of people connected to the detectives, it’s very likley there is at least one scum (and probably more) among the list of complete unknowns. So who would you vote for if you didn’t vote for a detective?
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I think this is the most important question of the game. Putting on my scum hat I see no reason to kill the detective today. More then likely I’m going to get lynched today. This leaves us going into the night 5 - 4. If they kill the detective we become 4 – 4 if instead they kill BlaM we are still 4 – 4. But here is the difference if the detective dies we know who a scum is and can then go into a coin flip between townie and scum (assuming they vote as a block ) with BlaM dead though who would be chosen as scum both detectives would claim another person and there would be two people who are totally unknown. At this point it would either be lynch one of the detectives or go back to the pick from the unclaimed either way there is a chance to pick a townie and give the game away. But if we pick one of the detectives even if we pick wrong we come out of the night 4 – 4 but this time we have knowledge either that the detective we picked was right and his claims were valid or we lynched wrong and we have confirmed town and scum. Why would the scum want to rely on wining by luck when they are already beating us by skill.
After some reflection, I believe Blaster Master’s advice is sound. It makes the most sense to go with the next best scum candidate between the two Detectives. It’s basically a win/win.
Should scum decide to off the real Detective, we’ll have freely confirmed that the other is scum.
If scum doesn’t off the real Detective, we won’t know as much immediately tomorrow, but we will know more in the long term, since the Detective will get to reveal another investigation result.
I am still very convinced that peekercpa is being honest here. He has been very forthright, whereas Ryjae has completely gone on the attack against him, trying to cast doubt. Again, exactly what I would have anticipated from scum whose days are numbered. My vote is purely strategic, I am very convinced Ryjae is scum, but would just as soon get it confirmed.
unvote Ryjae
vote Oredigger77
BlaM - You assert that if cckeroberos turn up scum, it says nothing about ryjae’s alignment. Why not? Am I mistaken in thinking that scum wouldn’t need to make that kind of gambit? (Yes, I’m aware that scum might attempt it precisely because we don’t expect it, but it still seems pretty darned unlikely.)
Hey fluid can I get any charges to refute along with that vote i’m still alive for the next day and half. At least give me something to do.
[QUOTE=Thing Fish]
Well, so much for my intention to express myself more clearly… should have said “in the event that RyJae himself is not the real detective”… guess I kind of assumed that would be inferred.
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The above post is in response to dotchan’s post 664, which puts FOS on me and Oredigger for using the phrase “the real detective”, implying that we have perfect information about** RyJae’s** status (this was before peeker’s claim. I am doing a quick reread to try to form a conclusion about Oredigger (results forthcoming later), and just noticed that what I actually said in post 650 was (emphasis added):
“the real detective, if there is one, should come forth”.
So I was misleadingly quoted. FOS (Fin of Suspicion) right back at you, dotchan.
Vote Count
**RyJae - 3 ** (cckerberos, peekercpa, , Oredigger77)
**Oredigger77 - 3 ** (Blaster Master, bufftabby, fluiddruid)
**cckerberos - 1 ** (Dotchan)
Not Voting
Hoopy Frood, RyJae, Thing Fish
24 Hours to go…
[QUOTE=dotchan]
BlaM - You assert that if cckeroberos turn up scum, it says nothing about ryjae’s alignment. Why not? Am I mistaken in thinking that scum wouldn’t need to make that kind of gambit? (Yes, I’m aware that scum might attempt it precisely because we don’t expect it, but it still seems pretty darned unlikely.)
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The scum wouldn’t need to, but it doesn’t mean they wouldn’t. Yes, it would be a small point in his favor, but really detectives are only proven wrong when they get a wrong result, which scum seldom will (Batman being an exception).
Look at it this way, if the detective is telling the truth, he will always get an accurate result. If he’s lying, he may or may not still get an accurate result. When trying to figure out what the scum will do, you’re always playing a WIFOM game.
[QUOTE=Thing Fish]
The above post is in response to dotchan’s post 664, which puts FOS on me and Oredigger for using the phrase “the real detective”, implying that we have perfect information about** RyJae’s** status (this was before peeker’s claim. I am doing a quick reread to try to form a conclusion about Oredigger (results forthcoming later), and just noticed that what I actually said in post 650 was (emphasis added):
“the real detective, if there is one, should come forth”.
So I was misleadingly quoted. FOS (Fin of Suspicion) right back at you, dotchan.
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Actually, I fine this equally as telling. If you were unsure, you might say “the real detective, if it isn’t Ryjae, should come forth.” The way that statement is, it specifically implies that you do know that Ryjae is not the detective, but don’t know if another one exists.
Going to cross my fingers and
unvote cckeroberos
vote oredigger77
Because between the two vote leaders, I am more suspicious of oredigger and I don’t want another Day to end in a coin flip.
[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
Actually, I fine this equally as telling. If you were unsure, you might say “the real detective, if it isn’t Ryjae, should come forth.” The way that statement is, it specifically implies that you do know that Ryjae is not the detective, but don’t know if another one exists.
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I think you are being a bit hyper-literal. Admittedly, I am new at this, but I believe a Detective is a pretty standard part of the game. It really never occurred to me to speculate that we might not have one at all.
So I’ve finally gotten some time to look at the posts so far of those of us disconnected from the two detectives. Dotchan is unknown. I can’t see anything scummy coming from bufftabby. Thing Fish isn’t in the clear, but I didn’t think he was particularly scummy on Day 1 and I don’t see anything that belies that reading over the past almost 2 Days. Oredigger’s whole screwed up voting record is the most scummy thing. The whole “I don’t think ThingFish is scummy, but I’m going to vote for him anyway” thing is the biggest thing against him. But also his “I find Ryjae scummiest so I’ll vote for him” in the beginning of ToDay, followed by “I now see that Ryjae has investigated scum, so as a result I’m going to not only unvote Ryjae but to vote my second choice scummiest player who is peekercpa.” seems extremely odd as well. Ryjae’s (and peekercpa’s, for that matter) investigations do nothing to change their scumminess. So oredigger changed his vote without any real justification. Plus after saying on Day 2 he doesn’t agree with the strategy of voting who he thinks is scummiest, it’s exactly what he seems to be trying to do toDay, since he spends it voting for his “2 most scummiest”. It’s possible he suddenly changed his strategy, but it still seems odd. Furthermore, after the claim by peekercpa, he immediately goes right back to Ryjae. I mean, I suppose since he always saw Ryjae scummier than peekercpa this makes sense, but when taken in light of everything else, it just seems incredibly odd. Especially when compared to all the others in the pool.
vote Oredigger77