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[RyJae]

And that’s what I was waiting for, okay fellow town when I’m lynched today you have your scum ready for lynch do not allow anyone to argue with

peekercpa
cckerberos
and
fluiddruid.
Oredigger

You can argue about BlaM but seeing as I found BlaM to be town and nothing in my PM said false reading I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I was waiting for fluiddruids interpretation of the false claim by peekcpa, she is not a fool in playing and her buying it hook line sinker instantly leads me to know she knows he is scum. And that makes her scum as well.

As for BlaM’s believing peekercpa at least he asked some questions about it, and has his doubts which is fine, but more believable than fluids head on faith.
It’s obvious to me and will be to you all once I’m dead that this was planned, poorly actually by the scum but my poor townies cannot see it because they don’t know what I do and thats who I am. If you go back and read the exchanges starting at Oredigger, cckerberos, and peekercpas and fluids contribution and read them knowing I am the detective you will see exactly what I mean. Even if you read them not sure what I am, you should still see the railroading going on, scum railroad.

I’ll help you out so you can see what I mean.

I investigated Cckerberos last night, not because I suspected anything but because I was trying to confirm townies that are under the radar (ie likely to be alive for a while)

Didn’t turn out to be what I expected, he is scum.

12 minutes later Oredigger comes up with a post with no mention of my findings whatsoever.

and then peekcpas odd comment coming from the supposed “real” cop

I just kind of skimmed so far but RyJay suggesting that we lynch him seems freaking odd. If you are who you say you are this would be the most anti town advice I have ever encountered.

and then

I’ve gotta believe that a RyJay lynch is the absolutely worst thing that we can do. If he truly is the detec then we would be basically be handing this game to the scum. I don’t consider him totally confirmed but the next night will do that for us one way or the other.

And then Orediggers post

Now to talk about day 3’s action. I think we need the real detective to reveal themselves

*I took this as his biggest scum slip as in he is telling peekcpa to come on out and claim.
Then of course peekcpa makes his claim, which since we cannot quote PMs I’d love to see your paraphrased since ya know you will have to make it all up anyway.
This is awesome here, peekercpa makes his claim, then Thing Fish asks him for crumbs etc and not peekercpa but cckerberos offers this: (Mind you not peekercpa saying this, this is cckerberos

Great! I was wondering when the real detective would step up to save my ass!

It took me a while to find the Agatha Christie one (I’m not a fan), but I think these were peekercpa’s breadcrumbs:

from #117 - “Now the game is truly afoot. Quickly Watson.”
from #390 - “Hurry Robin, to the BatCave. There is agave afoot.”
from #566 - “if those Gastards target correctly during the evening we are down to a ten little Indians kind of situation.”

*Other than me knowing he is scum per my investigation this is scummy as scum can be, and blatant as in discussed with scummates before hand these crumbs.

Then 2-4 posts later (posts peekercpa made) a full 5 hours after cckerberos helpfully helped him out, peekercpa realized how bad that looked so he made

My claim has nothing to do about “your ass”. If I didn’t know what I know then you would be getting the ol’ read through about now.

I bet that was an ass clincher wasn’t it when you realized just how scum buddy that looked, but wait its not over.

Now cckerberos has this to say about a post made a while back by Oredigger this portion of the post here

Originally Posted by Oredigger77
So I’m going to vote for my number 2 as a strategy move.

vote peekercpa

here was cckerberos answer.

I missed this before. Why was he your number 2 choice? You haven’t voted for him in the past and I don’t remember you expressing any suspicion about him previously. What’s your rationale?
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Odd isn’t it? I mean if you’re looking at it like me at least. I hope this helps us out when I’m lynched.

[RyJae]

[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
I completely agree with your assessment and think that Ryjae is more likely to be scum than peekercpa and that cckerberos is likely pro-town because of that. So, if we do decide to choose between the two, Ryjae is where my vote would go at this point. That said, I’m inclined to believe the scum will do the dirty work for us Tonight because the risk of letting the detective get another investigation probably doesn’t outweigh the potential gain from a little more confusion.

I’m provisionally willing to accept you as investigated as pro-town. I also think it makes sense that no matter who is detective, I’m either pro-town or Godfather, so I make a bad lynch candidate. So, all together, I think it’s likely that Ryjae is scum and that peekercpa, cckerberos, you, and me are all probable town. If Ryjae is the real detective, that means I’m still probable town, you’re an unknown, and both cckerberos and peekercpa are scum.

If we go with what I’m inclined to believe is the more likely scenario, that means that there’s probably 3 scum amonst the remaining five. Since I suspect the scum will likely solve our detective dilemma for us, I’d rather poke in the other 5 where our chances are 60% if we pick at random. I also suspect that there’s probably at least a 2-man masonry out there which means, unless you and cckerberos are masons, which is quite unlikely in my estimation then there’s probably at least one mason amonst those five.

As such, I’ve already placed my vote on Oredigger. I think bufftabby made some lucid points toward him yesterday with which I agreed. I also think his apparent PIS is telling. His initial suspicion and subsequent write-off of Ryjae seems disingenuous.

That said, my suspects for the scum at this point are Ryjae, Oredigger, Hoopy Frood, and Thing Fish. I believe bufftabby is probably town based on my reads, and I think there’s evidence at least partially supporting the towniness of everyone else except for dotchan, who is undecided for me at this point from her general lack of posts.
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Horrible strategy BlaM just you suggesting it makes me wonder why. It’s simple actually vote for me since you believe peekercpa then you hit a town but expose the scum. I’d prefer a vote on peekercpa and for sure hit scum but I know from reading your posts that won’t happen.

If you’re really town you would not be looking at a random group today you’d be looking just between me and peekercpa. If scum do not kill me today they won’t kill me tonight, it would be stupid they already threw enough confusion out here to make any readings I find worthless. So we would be just rehashing this same shit tomorrow. My death leads to others deaths guaranteed, if I’m scum as you want to believe you offed a scum, when you find out I’m the detective you can then start the scum lynchings.

Anything else makes no sense, either me or peekercpa have to be lynched NOW!

[Blaster_Master]

[QUOTE=RyJae]
And that’s what I was waiting for, okay fellow town when I’m lynched today you have your scum ready for lynch do not allow anyone to argue with

peekercpa
cckerberos
and
fluiddruid.
Oredigger
[/quote]

IF it’s too good to be true, it probably is; especially in mafia. Why would the scum essentially be willing to completely expose themselves to get you lynched? There’s probably four of them, and if you’re telling the truth, they can just let your reading go, kill you Tonight, and take their chances in a 5-3 with only one confirmed townie. The motivation of exposing three scum to get us to lynch the detective when it’s completely unnecessary is utterly reckless. However, I can’t completely eliminate it as a possibility because we ARE at lylo, and all the scum need is one more mislynch, so perhaps they’d be okay with a bit more of a risky move. Thus, I’m not willing to lynch either of you especially since I expect the scum will solve this dilemma for us Tonight.

OTOH, if your’e lying, knowing we’re at lylo, it’s completely reasonable that you’d expect a counter-claim Today. If you put forth a scum reading and we lynch him, if he’s town, you all win, that’s it. And, thus, if you’re telling the truth, since you’ll almost certainly die Tonight in that case, we can lynch him Tomorrow with no problem at all.

You can argue about BlaM but seeing as I found BlaM to be town and nothing in my PM said false reading I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Ad hominem. You can’t say I’m scummy, but maybe I am. But what you’re implying is you don’t like my strategy. Either way, no matter which of you two is lying, I’m confirmed (unless I’m the godfather), and thus not even remotely a reasonable lynchee Today.

I was waiting for fluiddruids interpretation of the false claim by peekcpa, she is not a fool in playing and her buying it hook line sinker instantly leads me to know she knows he is scum. And that makes her scum as well.

As for BlaM’s believing peekercpa at least he asked some questions about it, and has his doubts which is fine, but more believable than fluids head on faith.

This is just bad logic. She laid out specific reasons for why peeker’s claim was more believable. Her accepting it doesn’t in any way reflect that she knows he’s scum. So even if he is lying and is scum, it doesn’t really mean anything about her.

It’s obvious to me and will be to you all once I’m dead that this was planned, poorly actually by the scum but my poor townies cannot see it because they don’t know what I do and thats who I am. If you go back and read the exchanges starting at Oredigger, cckerberos, and peekercpas and fluids contribution and read them knowing I am the detective you will see exactly what I mean. Even if you read them not sure what I am, you should still see the railroading going on, scum railroad.

If you are, in fact, pro-town; asking us to lynch you is just BAD BAD strategy. If you’re pro-town, we lose. And even if you didn’t realize that, surely you know that you, as the detective, are worth keeping alive as long as possible. Lynching you to confirm your results is just a bad idea.

And then Orediggers post

Interesting, both Dotchan and I already called him on that, but you somehow manage to get the opposite meaning for it. It’s definitely a point against you, not in your favor.

Then of course peekcpa makes his claim, which since we cannot quote PMs I’d love to see your paraphrased since ya know you will have to make it all up anyway.

This is nonsense too. How do we, as in anyone not named Ryjae or peeker, have any idea what the detective PM looks like? Why would it be interesting to see his PM? Why wouldn’t you be interested in posting a paraphrased version of yours? You’re shifting the burden of proof solely onto him, and that’s awfully sheisty.

This is awesome here, peekercpa makes his claim, then Thing Fish asks him for crumbs etc and not peekercpa but cckerberos offers this: (Mind you not peekercpa saying this, this is cckerberos

*Other than me knowing he is scum per my investigation this is scummy as scum can be, and blatant as in discussed with scummates before hand these crumbs.

Then 2-4 posts later (posts peekercpa made) a full 5 hours after cckerberos helpfully helped him out, peekercpa realized how bad that looked so he made

Possible, but a bit of a stretch. You fail to mention that peeker DID say what the crumbs were referencing to, and it’s almost an hour’s worth of time between when peeker mentioned it and when cckerberos posted his findings. That’s more than enough time to look at all his posts and find the references when you know what you’re looking for. This is an absolute null-tell for both peeker and cckerberos.

[bufftabby]

I’ve read back through the game, and I didn’t really see any of our top 3 lynch candidates (cckerberos, peekercpa, and the oddly self-nominated ryjae), and I don’t find myself convinced of the scummitude/townieness of any of them. Cckerberos has been kinda under the radar, but not quite enough to make me suspicious of him (save for the reading ryjae claims). Peekercpa has a tendency to confuse me, so I don’t really feel like I have much of a read on him. Ryjae didn’t make me suspicious until he suggested lynching himself, and told me that I supported that, when I hadn’t said anything to that effect at all, and of course, peekercpa’s claim of a read on him. I’m really not sure which of those three to believe, but I think the scum will solve it for us tonight, because it would be overwhelmingly foolish for them to leave the real detective alive. Based on the fact that this situation seems like it will work itself out toNight, I’m gonna go with somebody I’m pretty damn sure is scum. You may remember him from such votes as mine yesterDay: oredigger77. I felt like I was right about him being scum yesterDay, just as strongly as I ended up feeling that the Unkempt One was actually Town after all (my vote was on TUO, but I changed it fairly early), so I’m gonna go with my gut again toDay. Not that it was purely my gut, I think the reasons I laid out were pretty damn valid as well.

vote oredigger77

[RyJae]

unvote cckerberos
vote ryjae

See its this simple BlaM since you seem to think they will kill me tonight you’re acting much more dense than I know you are. Why kill me tonight? IT WOULD BE STUPID! They have successfully led everyone around by there noses, including you.

[cckerberos]

[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
That’s more than enough time to look at all his posts and find the references when you know what you’re looking for. This is an absolute null-tell for both peeker and cckerberos.
[/QUOTE]
I didn’t even have to look at all his posts; he’d said which Day/Night he’d posted them in.

I have classes all day tomorrow so it’s unlikely that I’ll be able to post anything until 8 PM or so (early morning for you guys). Just an FYI.

[Blaster_Master]

[QUOTE=RyJae]
Horrible strategy BlaM just you suggesting it makes me wonder why. It’s simple actually vote for me since you believe peekercpa then you hit a town but expose the scum. I’d prefer a vote on peekercpa and for sure hit scum but I know from reading your posts that won’t happen.
[/quote]

Here’s the point you’re missing. The only ones who have any idea about which of you two is telling the truth are the two of you and scum. Thus, as far as I’m concerned, it’s more or less a 50/50 shot since there’s not a whole lot of hard evidence to support peeker and more timing and such. OTOH, if he’s telling the truth, we have a 60% chance in the other five, and a 40% chance if you’re telling the truth (which works out to about 50%, just like with you two). If there’s any masons, that improves the numbers. Plus, we have TONS of evidence to work out who is likely scum in that group by evaluating five people, while we have much less evidence for sorting out the two of you. IOW, the worst case is that the chance of hitting scum is identical, but the best case is that it’s higher, we’ll have more evidence to hit it, and the detective issue will be solved by Tomorrow morning for us.

If you’re really town you would not be looking at a random group today you’d be looking just between me and peekercpa. If scum do not kill me today they won’t kill me tonight, it would be stupid they already threw enough confusion out here to make any readings I find worthless. So we would be just rehashing this same shit tomorrow. My death leads to others deaths guaranteed, if I’m scum as you want to believe you offed a scum, when you find out I’m the detective you can then start the scum lynchings.

Why do you have to keep throwing in “if [I’m] really town”? If you’re telling the truth, you have no reason AT ALL to distrust me because you KNOW your read on me is pro-town.

As for saying the scum won’t kill you… why? I can understand why, if you’re telling the truth, you weren’t targetted last Night, because you were likely protected. But now, there’s no reason to believe you’d be protected. And, if you ARE telling the truth, I’m happy to deal with all the confusion for another Day if it means we get another read from our detective tomorrow.

Anything else makes no sense, either me or peekercpa have to be lynched NOW!

I’ve already laid out the reasons, but I’ll say it again. Lynching either you or peekercpa, unless we’re damn near 100% certain, is not the optimal play. It forces the scum to choose between allowing another read for the sake of some confusion or confirming it all for us and giving us an obvious lynch target Tomorrow just to save one reading. As you’ll recall from Simpletown, I like to make the scum make the decisions that WE make for them rather than making the decisions the scum put to us. There is no advantage to lynching either of you Today.

[Blaster_Master]

Also, I’m going to repeat my request to the masons, since it may have been lost in my other posts or they may not have checked in yet. If you’re a mason, please do a full claim ASAP. I would like to have that information before I go back and do a reread.

[Blaster_Master]

[QUOTE=RyJae]
unvote cckerberos
vote ryjae

See its this simple BlaM since you seem to think they will kill me tonight you’re acting much more dense than I know you are. Why kill me tonight? IT WOULD BE STUPID! They have successfully led everyone around by there noses, including you.
[/QUOTE]

You’re missing the key point. If there’s four scum left, we’re in a lynch or lose situation. Thus, if you’re telling the truth, lynching you will lose the game for us. Thus, pushing for you own lynch is not helpful if you’re either town or scum.

And I believe the scum will likely kill the one of you that’s lying. If they don’t, then they give up another reading to us. I’m happy to deal with the extra confusion for an extra reading.

So please, if you ARE telling the truth, please stop pushing a clearly anti-town policy and help us find scum amongst everyone else.

[Oredigger77]

I just caught up and man, I seriously have the worst luck. In one day I start off saying that my two most suspicious are the two that have claims for detective. This on the plus side means I’m half right. On the downside I have no idea which is scum between them.
Ok to try and answer the charges against me because if I get lynched we’re pretty screwed and before anyone asks, I have no power role to claim but my lynch puts us into peeker’s basically screwed situation with a townie lynch (not that you’ll believe that statement).

[QUOTE=RyJae]
That’s fine as I said examine me by lynching me, I’d rather lynch someone I’m 100% is scum or hell even Oredigger77 because just read that upthread my post then his two posts with “believing me” as a detective. Now granted you don’t believe me I’m fine with that but once you read it again when I’m dead you will see what I mean. He is scum, scum discussed what to do if I fingered one of them, he followed the directions well. Hell so well he fails to mention my post at all, pretty transparent.
[/QUOTE]

Ok this seems to be the crux of the case against me. The first thing I want to say is that I said immediately after RyJae’s claim yesterday that I didn’t believe him and changing that statement now would be even scummier. RyJae claimed in post #502 and in #527 I stated that I didn’t believe him.

[QUOTE=Oredigger77]
Now RyJae has claimed dectetive and I don’t believe him. He claims it is because he is about to get lynched but The Unkempt One has about the same number of votes and as yesterday proved we aren’t above changing our mind at the last second and this is no where near the last second. So I’m left with a conundrum and two possible scum.
[/QUOTE]

Along with this I’m going to address the;

[QUOTE=dotchan]
One more thing…

“the real detective”, Thing Fish and Oredigger77? :dubious:

Paranoid “do you know something I don’t” FoS Thing Fish, Oredigger77
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RyJae]
And then Orediggers post

*I took this as his biggest scum slip as in he is telling peekcpa to come on out and claim.
Then of course peekcpa makes his claim, which since we cannot quote PMs I’d love to see your paraphrased since ya know you will have to make it all up anyway.

[/QUOTE]

Well if I don’t believe that RyJae is the real detective doesn’t that mean there has to be a real detective out there? And about that perfect knowledge claim ummm I voted for Peekercpa and then he claims Detective how could that possibly be perfect knowledge possibly bad luck but knowledge come on.

[QUOTE=RyJae]
Now onto other possible lynch candidates today, I’m all for an Oredigger lynch even without investigating him I find him more scummy than someone I am positive is scum.

This will be my last day certainly, so while you all consider my lynch request anti-town it was only because I know my death can take out two scum (one confirmed by me and the other pretty damned by his posts) I won’t have another chance to investigate anyone anyway so that’s why I didn’t care about a me lynch.

[/QUOTE]

I’ve got to ask how I’ve damned myself by my posts if only so I don’t repeat it in the future but I think I’ve answered all the charges unless you want to elaborate?

[QUOTE=cckerberos]
I missed this before. Why was he your number 2 choice? You haven’t voted for him in the past and I don’t remember you expressing any suspicion about him previously. What’s your rationale?
[/QUOTE]

I’ll restate this just for clarity here is the whole post with the relevant portion bolded # 633

[QUOTE=Oredigger77]
Well I guess I’ll be the first to say it we’re in some serious trouble.

Well to start off the Day 3 suspicion my top two from Day 2 are RyJae and Peekercpa. With RyJae as number 1 due to 2 concurrnt days of suspicious activity.

RyJae’s actions on Day 1 are well catalouged at this point. On Day 2 there are two things that stuck me; one of which was the timing of his role announcement and the second was his reason for voting for me. When he claimed detective he said it was because he was about to get lynched but Unkempt had a similar number of votes at that time and there was still three days untill the end of the day. As for his reason for voting for me all it was was that koldanar mentioned me on Day 1 he didn’t ever give any onther reason and in general stayed away from the discussion of the lynch.

My suspicion of Peekercpa also comes from his vote of me. He was the we one to vote for me after RyJae and despite my post stating my lack of Internet voted for me for lurking after I finnaly posted. Even after I posted a lot to try and prevent my lynch he never gave any other reason for voting for me even though I called him on it twice and pointed out that Dotchan was the real lurker for day 2.

Before I get accused of smearing Dot he did come in at the end of the day and explain his absence and I buy his excuse. But there were 4 days between Peekercpa’s vote for lurking and dot’s explanation.
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[QUOTE=Blaster Master]

As such, I’ve already placed my vote on Oredigger. I think bufftabby made some lucid points toward him yesterday with which I agreed. I also think his apparent PIS is telling. His initial suspicion and subsequent write-off of Ryjae seems disingenuous.

[/QUOTE]

What is PIS?

Oh and finnaly I’m going to reverse my vote again based on the new claim.

Unvote Peekercpa
Vote RyJae

[Amblydoper]

Vote Count
**RyJae - 4 ** (cckerberos, peekercpa, fluiddruid, Oredigger77)
**cckerberos - 2 ** (Dotchan, Thing Fish)
**Oredigger77 - 2 ** (Blaster Master, bufftabby)

Not Voting
Hoopy Frood, RyJae*
*RyJae’s self-vote does not count[/mod-rule]

[peekercpa]

[QUOTE=me]
And now that I am at the oasis known as IAH - Motto: “Our gate agents are not only surly but also decidedly unhelpful”.

You are welcome to join us but unless bufftabby or fluiddruid are willing then there is just gonna be a whole lot of CSPAN going on.
[/QUOTE]

And I didn’t mean to exclude dot if she wants to join in. Makes it more even that way. Back in a second.

[Blaster_Master]

[QUOTE=Oredigger77]
I just caught up and man, I seriously have the worst luck. In one day I start off saying that my two most suspicious are the two that have claims for detective. This on the plus side means I’m half right. On the downside I have no idea which is scum between them.
[/quote]

If you have no idea which between the two of them is scum, why are you choosing? If you are, in fact, pro-town, then you have information I do not; you know for a fact that you’re town. This means that you get the luxury of knowing one more pro-town player than I do, which means when examining the group of five that I put forth, you know that it’s likely that 3 of the 4 of them are scum. Why would you insist on choosing between two people on a 50/50 chance when you have, at worst, a 50% chance, on average a 62.5% chance, and most probably at 75% chance of hitting scum between Thing Fish, bufftabby, Dotchan, and Hoopy Frood?

What is PIS?

PIS is short of Perfect Information Syndrome. This is what you quoted and attempted to counter on which Dotchan and Ryjae called you. However, your explanation doesn’t make sense. Whether you believe him or not, you have no real evidence to disbelieve him. As such, it makes no sense to specifically say the real detective. A disbelieving townie is much more likely to say something along the lines of “if Ryjae is lying, the real detective should come forth”. IOW, it looks as though you were quite certain there was a real detective an not simply not liking Ryjae’s claim. What if peeker hadn’t come out, would you still insist that you didn’t believe his claim until he was dead?

Finally, your vote switch makes no sense. At first you say you have no idea which is scum between them, but then you switch your vote to Ryjae without explaining in the interim why you suddenly went from not knowing to thinking Ryjae is necessarily more scummy.

[Hoopy_Frood]

[QUOTE=Oredigger77]

Oh and finnaly I’m going to reverse my vote again based on the new claim.

[COLOR=Red]Unvote Peekercpa
[COLOR=Blue]Vote RyJae
[/QUOTE]

A few questions for you Oredigger (and for that matter, anyone else voting for one of the detectives at this point), why do you think voting to lynch a detective is better than voting for an unknown not connected to any of the detectives? Do you not think scum will kill the real detective tonight? If not why not? Do you really think the minimal confusion factor caused by leaving the real detective alive tonight will offset the danger of further investigations? If not, wouldn’t it be better to vote for someone who’s not connected to these (i.e. me, you, Dotchan, Thing Fish, or bufftabby)? I originally was considering voting for a detective, but BlaM makes a very good argument for why this would be a bad thing. Town shouldn’t spend it’s votes on situations that will sort themselves out. I’m not sure who I’m voting for, but it’ll be between you, Dotchan, Thing Fish, or bufftabby. Everybody else is confirmable through the death of one of the detectives. While it’s possible there is at least one other scum other than the fake detective among the list of people connected to the detectives, it’s very likley there is at least one scum (and probably more) among the list of complete unknowns. So who would you vote for if you didn’t vote for a detective?

[peekercpa]

[QUOTE=Blaster Master]
I have to say breadcrumbing that you’re the detective is kind of pointless. It means either your a detective who wants to use them later to try to self-confirm or you’re scum who was planning to use them to assist in a claim later. Bottom line, I see them as a null tell.

Do you have any instances where you breadcrumbed your reading on me or fluiddruid?
[/QUOTE]

Sorry, No.

I was only willing to implicate myself. I did not want my play to affect anyone elses’ potential game interaction.

I only “breadcrumbed” stuff that would come back to me. Maybe sophomoric but it’s the best I could come up with. I didn’t want any of my confirmed to look back and call me a hoser or something (this is a tough crowd by the way).

I believe that we are currently 6 - 4. If we don’t get a scum right now then we are fucked. I’ve got to leave my vote on RyJae since I know he is not the detective and hence can’t be helping the town. Unless one of you fuckers is the godfather, the waters ought to be rich for fishing.

Good news, Bad news type of situiation. If it’s 6 - 4, and I think it is, then the odds of getting a scum on this lynch are pretty good.

[dotchan]

Thanks for the headache, peekercpa. I’m now thinking myself in circles on a) why you would leave so many breadcrumbs and b) why you didn’t get Night killed over said breadcrumbs. (And now there’s also a whole new set of scenarios on what the Town currently looks like if one or both you and Ryjae is telling the truth.)

But I do agree that the Detective situation will resolve itself sooner or later even if we don’t lynch either one of them.

And if peekercpa is telling the truth, the Town looks like this:
4 confirmed Town (peekercpa, Blaster Master, fluiddruid, cckeroberos–I’m provisionally putting him here because I can’t imagine a scummy ryjae throwing cckeroberos under the bus if the scum are as close to winning as I think they are; I’m also going to assume that there is no Godfather unless more dead pro-Town power roles turn up, because having a Godfather in a 14-player game feels a bit much, unless there are only a total of 3 scum in the game)

1 scum, or at least 1 lying liar (ryjae)

5 unknown, of which at least 2 are scum (meaning that from my point of view my fellow unknowns have either a 50% or 75% chance of being scum)

Right now I’m back and forth on whether to keep my vote where it is (because finding out cckeroberos’ alignment would go a long way in determining ryjae and peekercpa’s respective loyalties) or to vote oredigger77 (because his reactions to the counterclaim have made him that much more suspicious).

Unfortunately we have no idea what the scum win condition is, but since it’s a plurality to lynch I think there would still be one more Day. Maybe.

Darn it, all of this talk about being sunk has made me worry again.

[RyJae]

[QUOTE=peekercpa]
Sorry, No.

I was only willing to implicate myself. I did not want my play to affect anyone elses’ potential game interaction.

I only “breadcrumbed” stuff that would come back to me. Maybe sophomoric but it’s the best I could come up with. I didn’t want any of my confirmed to look back and call me a hoser or something (this is a tough crowd by the way).

I believe that we are currently 6 - 4. If we don’t get a scum right now then we are fucked. I’ve got to leave my vote on RyJae since I know he is not the detective and hence can’t be helping the town. Unless one of you fuckers is the godfather, the waters ought to be rich for fishing.

Good news, Bad news type of situiation. If it’s 6 - 4, and I think it is, then the odds of getting a scum on this lynch are pretty good.
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Wow thats bad, so if you got taken out you didn’t want to leave any help for your fellow townies… yeah right. The purpose of crumbs is so if you get killed prior to being able to tell anyone your findings they can go through and see who you investigated in a subtle yet there way.

[Blaster_Master]

[QUOTE=peekercpa]
Sorry, No.

I was only willing to implicate myself. I did not want my play to affect anyone elses’ potential game interaction.

I only “breadcrumbed” stuff that would come back to me. Maybe sophomoric but it’s the best I could come up with. I didn’t want any of my confirmed to look back and call me a hoser or something (this is a tough crowd by the way).
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Eh, fair enough I suppose. Only problem is, it would give us no way to extract any information if you are telling the truth and had met an untimely fate. Either way, it’s a null point.

I believe that we are currently 6 - 4. If we don’t get a scum right now then we are fucked. I’ve got to leave my vote on RyJae since I know he is not the detective and hence can’t be helping the town. Unless one of you fuckers is the godfather, the waters ought to be rich for fishing.

Good news, Bad news type of situiation. If it’s 6 - 4, and I think it is, then the odds of getting a scum on this lynch are pretty good.

Obviously, if you’re telling the truth, you must be convinced that Ryjae is a liar; I appreciate that, but I don’t think that’s in the best interest of the town. While it’s elementary for you to know that one person is definitely scum, we don’t have that luxury. OTOH, we ALL have more information about the other group, because there’s five posters there and, if you’re telling the truth, there’s probably three scum in there. If we believe you and lynch Ryjae, you end up dead tonight, and we are right back in the same situation we are now, looking at the the same five people with not much different in terms of information.

We know that you know that there’s three scum amonst Thing Fish, dotchan, bufftabby, Hoopy Frood, and Oredigger. So, why don’t you help us look in that group? If you’re telling the truth, you’ll still die tonight, but then we’ll have a 100% certain lynchable in Ryjae Tomorrow. And if by some chance you don’t die, you’ll have a chance to give us another reading.

[Blaster_Master]

[QUOTE=dotchan]
Right now I’m back and forth on whether to keep my vote where it is (because finding out cckeroberos’ alignment would go a long way in determining ryjae and peekercpa’s respective loyalties) or to vote oredigger77 (because his reactions to the counterclaim have made him that much more suspicious).
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Huh? One minute you say you’re willing to accept cckerberos as provisionally town and now you think we’d get information from killing him? This makes no sense. If he comes up scum, we gain no information. If he comes up town, we’re dead even with scum, and we essentially confirmed 3 townies and damn Ryjae, but get no information about the rest.

Unfortunately we have no idea what the scum win condition is, but since it’s a plurality to lynch I think there would still be one more Day. Maybe.

It doesn’t matter, even if that is the case, it would take an enormous amount of luck to win. If it’s 4-4, the scum could come out and say they’re all scum and vote as a block and force a tie each day. They’d only have to win 1 of 4 coin flips then to win; IOW, they could play as badly as they’d want for the rest of the game and still have a 93.75% chance of winning. If they avoided that, we’d have to actually find all four of them, beat their voting block, and still get lucky. IOW, if it is 4-4, we might as well forfeit because we’re not winning.

[Blaster_Master]

[QUOTE=RyJae]
Wow thats bad, so if you got taken out you didn’t want to leave any help for your fellow townies… yeah right. The purpose of crumbs is so if you get killed prior to being able to tell anyone your findings they can go through and see who you investigated in a subtle yet there way.
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Speaking of which, where was your breadcrumb of your investigation of me prior to claim? Since you agree with me on that point, surely you left one earlier in the Day cause you weren’t expecting to claim then… right?