I agree 100%. We need to be very careful where our votes go. I’m not sure if a better tactic would be to try to figure out a vote between the two detectives, or among the remaining pool. I’m interested to see what results ryjae presents.
And while I understand this sentiment I guess I’d just like to get one scum under our belt. Because even if it’s 5 - 3 (best case) we are basically lynch correctly or go to coin flips the rest of the game. And if were at 4 - 4 then we’d already be there. That’s why I think we still have a chance. Otherwise there would just be a mass pile on that effectively coin flips this for the remainder of the game. The fact that this has not started makes me have some hope.
And just one last thought. I screwed the pooch again. As Dot suggested the correct best move would have been a rock, paper scissors type of thing between me and RJ. I was just so excited about still being alive and getting a town read.
Bad peeker bad.
Sorry.
We’ve still got a chance, though.
Well town its close to lynch or lose time my readings again for those that believe me.
Night 1 BlaM --Town
Night 2 cckerberos --Scum
Night 3 Fluid–Town
Do what with ya want, I told ya the scum would keep me alive they’re not stupid they know most the town believes peekercpa.
I don’t think it’s a matter as much of who town believes as much as the scum want to keep confusion at a maximum. I figured that they would want the detective dead to prevent further readings, apparently they feel the confusion factor is more important. I’m guessing that if we don’t sort out the detective business toDay, we’ll find both detectives alive toMorrow. Especially since your investigation of fluiddruid gives scum a prime target for night kill. Just like BlaM before her, we once again have a townie confirmed by both detectives. The good news is we have a completely confirmed townie. The bad news is she was already semi-confirmed, so you haven’t helped narrow the pool of those who are completely unknown.
The question is, do we try to settle the detective thing toDay or not? If we let scum keep working on the confusion factor, eventually all will be exposed as the pool of investigatees gets narrower and eventually we’ll determine whichever of the two detectives ends up being the real one and we’ll have a resulting wealth of information. However, as long as the detectives are alive, we have no real info except when they get the same reading on the same person. Also, there are 3 or 4 scum remaining, and the opening Day color text implies that there are actually 4 since it says town is eliminated if we don’t find scum. This means we are not only at lylo toDay, but scum can vote as a block to force a tie. At least with a confirmed townie, that gives us only 7 unconfirmed, so even on a random selection among that pool we have a better than 50% chance at hitting scum.
Fluid was never semi confirmed, “confirmed” by a scum does not equal semi confirmed!
Yeah, but you say your town. peekercpa says he’s town.
Do you have any reason aside from your own contention as to why we should believe you over him?
A point in his favor is that his claim was voluntary and not forced. However, he also claimed at an ideal time for scum to fake claim detective if they were going to take that gamble. So at this point I’m not inclined to believe him more than you, but neither am I inclined the other way.
Your behavior yesterDay was odd and anti-town (self-voting when you claim you’re town–WTF?), but his was almost too clean as if he was trying too hard to appear to be town.
So convince us. Why should we vote him and not you? Or do you think we should once again leave the detective business for the scum to sort out for us and vote somewhere else?
I’m done trying to convince you guys, if we lose its because my persuasive arguments to look at cckereberos and peekercpa working together yesterday where dismissed. It was and is obvious those two went to work together, and only explanation there is, is scum board.
I explained it once, showed it a few times and yet it was tossed aside. So be it. They made enough scum mistakes and yet town allowed scum to dictate how we play, good play on scum bad on town.
I realize my last post was snarky, as it was intended to be. If town cannot eat a fish when it bites the hook, jumps into the net and fries itself and serves itself with a lemon wedge, then town doesn’t deserve to win.
oog This is only a game though, and while frustrated I don’t take anything here on a personal level*
You mean the same posts where you swear up and down that oredigger was in on the scum board plan as well? I mean, it’s obvious those three orchestrated it together, except oredigger** obviously didn’t. :dubious:
I’ll see your :dubious: and raise you a :dubious: I explained the 2, I honestly did believe Oredigger was scum, he played like one. But I also stated to lynch an unknown based on an assumption was a stupid play, which guess what, Hoopy was right wasn’t it.
I even explained why it would be better to lynch me or peekercpa, this is why, so who would want to keep the confusion alive? That’s right scum, so here we are again, same shit different day. I knew scum wouldn’t kill me, they had no reason too. BlaM for all his experience played right into the hands of the scum.
But that’s neither here nor there. What town has to do is find out why he was killed, it sure as hell wasn’t because of me. I had him figured as scum, but not one soul states a belief in me at all so I am not the cause of his death… who was?
Who is guiding the town, who is working in league with one another? Then you have your scum. Take it like this Hoopy :dubious:, who has worked with me in any form in this game, and who has worked with peekercpa? I have no one working with me because my townies are helping the scum unintentionally, who though is helping him intentionally? It’s all over the thread, open for all to see.
Well, that’s pretty much what I expected. Hope I left enough good and correct advice to sort the rest of this out…
AVENGE ME!
Who I would most like to hear from is fluiddruid. She is our only confirmed Town, so if nothing else, we’ll at least know that her opinions and advice are coming from the right place.
Ryjae, I’d like to know what you would do in this situation as a Town observer. How would you decide which detective was the real one? I certainly haven’t found a foolproof method to do so, but you keep raging at us all as though we should have. I think it’s natural for us to be uncertain, seeing as how we haven’t found any evidence to even semi-conclusively determine which one of you is being truthful, and I resent your statements that we are all uncertain because scum are dragging us around by the nose, and that we don’t deserve to win. I’ve continued to try my hardest to ferret out scum, while this is the second Day now that your main occupation seems to have turned to castigating Townies for failing where, if you are Town, you have also been equally failing. Of course, you, peeker, and the scum population, all know the alignment of both you and peeker, but the rest of us don’t have that information, so don’t expect us to know who’s lying.
Sure you would know who was lying if you just read the exchanges between cckereberos and peekercpa. It’s like a the elephant in the room you all choose to ignore.
I’ve looked at those exchanges, and they haven’t revealed scum to me. Your reply just now hasn’t revealed anything new to me either, just the same unhelpful castigation I just spoke on. Regardless of your alignment, that attitude is not pro-town.
Here’s a table of the final votes so far. Confirmed townies are in red.
Player 1 2 3
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Bufftabby AR OD OD
Fluidruid PC UO OD
Dotchan AR - OD
ThingFish AR UO OD
Peekercpa TF OD OD
Cckerberos AR UO RJ
RyJae AR OD -
HoopyFrood DC UO OD
I’m not sure how much it tells us, however… there’s just so much red there unfortunately.
That’s because I don’t care if town wins now. When I could help no one cared, now that I can’t help I don’t care. If they haven’t revealed scum to you, bufftabby you’re either not town, or you do not pay close enough attention to the game.
Two groups “work” together, masons and scum. Those two working hand in hand means they are either scum or mason, peekercpas false claim eliminates them from mason.
Which category did BlasterMaster fall into?
Struck me as odd that you took him out, but then I thought about it and I realized you had no reason to keep him around any longer. Once Oredigger was revealed as town BlaM would have looked a little deeper at me and peekercpa, as I wanted done yesterday. You didn’t want that. Pity BlaM though, normally pretty intuitive let scum shit stand in the way of the facts.
Good morning Doperville!
Based on my examination of the Sexton formulae (see post 657), I think there are probably four scum, which means we’re probably screwed.
Cop (4) + Doc (3) + One-Shot (2) + 7 vanilla (7) + day start (1) + bonus for having both cop and doc (?) = probably 18-19
4 Scum = 18
alternately, if there are 8 vanilla town, that takes the town to 19-20, and 2 vanilla scum plus a Godfather adds up to only 16.
More cheery thoughts in a bit…