Dr.Fidelius

Dr. Fidelius,

Please, actually read all of my statement before you reply.
I did not say it would be a catastrophe. I said it would greatly disrupt the eco-system and force it to move elsewhere.
But, how did we get way out here?

I’ll try to stick more closer to your specialty.
What is the most common type of rock that fossils are found in?

Andros said:

Thanks, but let’s not get carried away. This thread is dedicated to DrF, after all! :slight_smile:

Jedi said:

Why? You never bother to read any of the responses to your trolls.

Wow, you all are such a bunch of morons, you keep talking to me even though I’m not talking to you! The only conversations I’m having on this page is with Dr. Fidelius!
I know you all think you know a thing or two, but, I’m quite sure the good doctor can answer his own questions.

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Jedi, cool it with the insults. Or take it to the BBQ Pit.

Also, remember that this is a “public” message board. Just because you direct your question at one particular person does not prevent others from seeing or responding to it. If you only want to talk to one person, use e-mail.


David B, SDMB Great Debates Moderator

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My dear Jedi:

This is a public bulletin board.

It is provided by the Straight Dope and the Chicago Reader, Inc., as a public service. (Consider trademark symbols inserted as appropriate.)

If you want to have a private conversation with Dr. Fidelius, you have several options:
Telephone. E-mail. U.S. Mail. FedEx. Carrier Pigeons.

Presuming he wishes to talk with you…

Consider the etiquette of this page and the Terms of Service. (Etiquette is gained by observation…read and note what is accepted and what not. Terms of Service you should have read when you registered; if you don’t recall them, click on “register” up above and reread them.) Then enter into a discussion. The only main rule is: Don’t Be a Jerk. We range in age from 16 to late 60s (maybe older, possibly younger), have varying political, religious, social, and philosophical views. What unites us is, we enjoy debating things with each other. Using facts. Using logic. If you care to make a case for your opinions or beliefs, we’ll listen respectfully. Then we’ll find flaws in your arguments and shred them. And you’re welcome to do the same to us. pldennison and I have been trashing each other’s opinions, while maintaining a great friendship, for quite a while. And Gaudere has, to quote the Irish Rovers “been strictly neutral, and bashed everyone in sight.” :slight_smile:

Jump in, and enjoy. If you feel like running out opinions, do so. But read the responses, and get into a dialogue. If you feel like being a “troll” (somebody who posts stuff apparently just to irritate others and see his own words on line), go elsewhere. If not, welcome!

“What are sedimentary rocks, Alex?”

You see, Jedi, here’s our problem: these supposedly unanswerable questions of yours have been asked countless times by people far more verbally adept than you. We’ve argued, quoted, given evidence and data, and recommended books to the dozens of little creationsists that have bellied up to the bar thinking they can stump the Dopers with “facts” and “Questions The Evolutionists Can’t Answer” that they get from Christian anti-evolution propoganda sites. You ain’t the first, son, and God help us, you won’t be the last.

Here’s a little story to help you understand my point:

Little Johnny goes to school, and raises his hand. He asks the teacher, “What does 2+2 equal?” “Four,” the teacher replies.

“Ha!” says Little Johnny. “I have a book here that says that it *really * equals five.”

"Well, the teacher says, “I have a stack of books, careful research by great mathematicians that has been done over many, many years that says that, yes, 2+2=4.” The teacher goes on to show him the research, charts, and photographs. She spends hours, patiently explaining things, because she thinks his question is an honest search for knowledge. At the end of the afternoon Little Johnny screams at her, “* You never answered my question! *”

Go back and read some of the threads on this subject. It’s all there. We have all the answers and evidence you need. It’s been all covered. You wouldn’t happen to know ARG220, would you?

And please, kid, don’t bother the Doctor.

Is this teacher and Little Johnny story something you made up, Lissa, what’s the origin? I like it!)

It seems to be so much to the point of so many discussions - and a frustrating one. What might be an interesting question or discussion turns out to be a “POYHIFE” (pull-out-your-hair-in-frustration event) - one person is talking about what he believes and the other what he has learned.

JediXXX started a new topic called, “I’m seeing but I don’t believe” and in many of the POYHIFE discussions it seems battle lines are drawn between those who believe but don’t see (or hear?) and those who see but don’t believe…

So, my question is, Lissa and others, how do you deal with the Little Johnny persons?

send condolence cards to his family when he looks for the gas leak with a lighter.


All this science, I don’t understand. It’s just my job 5 days a week-- Rocketman

(gratuitous content-free post to prolong “my” thread)

What, DrF, now you’re imitating Phaedrus?

No, no, if he wrote twelve paragraphs without content in triplicate he’d be imitating Phaedrus.

Gaudere:

No, …imitating a federal bureaucrat! :slight_smile:

I think we can add “writes federal forms” to Phaedrus’ extensive list of accomplishments. I knew I recognized that style from somewhere.

Well, thanks. I did make it up.

Well, to be honest, I haven’t really learned how to deal with these people. I’ve had a lot of experience with them though, having gone to a Christian school. (Which explains my spelling and grammar.) I am very familiar with Creationism, having had it pounded into my head for years as indisputable fact. I had to do reports on such literary gems as * Evolution? The Fossils Say NO! *.

Thankfully, I am a voracious reader and a person who can, and prefers, to think for herself. I would sit through “science” in grim anger, hating the people who stood before me belching out doctrine as fact, indoctrinating the children around me with stubborn ignorance, teaching “facts” which are out-and-out lies. They fear and despise knowledge and anyone who seeks it. It disgusted me then, and it sickens me now.

I try to ignore the “Little Johnnys” of this world, but they seem so pathetic and small to me, spouting what they heard in Sunday School as irrefutable fact, simply because they’re no longer interested in employing logic or reason to their beliefs. They’re the people who, as the Titanic goes under, scream “But this ship CAN’T sink!”

I want to say to them, "Fine, wallow in your smug ignorance. Discard all of the ideas and knowledge which comes your way that don’t fit your religion. Surround yourself with other people just as pathetic as yourselves. You can entertain your friends with questions like, “If evolution is true, then how come monkeys don’t turn into people today?” and impress your friends. I sincerely and truely hope that when you approach the throne of Judgement, that God says to you, “Why did you refuse to use your mind? What? You think I want a buncha idiots runnin’ around up here?”

My greatest fear is that someday they might take over, ala Handmaid’s Tale. I can see it now: mandatory church attendance, book burnings, complete censorship, wholesale destruction of scientific knowledge . . . . hell, witch burnings. Honestly, sign me up for execution immediately, if they take over. I don’t want to live in their world.

Sorry this is so long, guys. I just can’t express the rage and sorrow that I feel when faced with them and their blindness. I want to shake them, wake them up, let the scales fall from their eyes.

So, no, Jois, I don’t know how to deal with them. They’re too far gone. Their minds have been replaced by rote recitation, and they don’t WANT to be anything than what they are: ignorant.

So what are you trying to say exactly, Lissa?

Thank you, Lissa, that does help.

Bad hat, Satan.

metroshane-ROTFLMAO-I think I read in “News of the Wierd” that something like that actually happened.

But Doctor, Aren’t sedimentary rocks formed in water?
I think you can see where I’m going with this.

He’s baaaaaaaackkk!!!

And maybe DrF can see this, but I can’t.


Those who do not learn from the past are condemned to relive it. Georges Santayana