That’s all very nice, but we were talking about “psychotherapist”. Do you have a cite for that?
Regards,
Shodan
You asked if there was government involvement, and I said if there was any, it would be public knowledge. More important, Schlessinger hasn’t said the government is involved. So this is kind of pointless.
The only person who has alleged there were threats, boycotts, or anything else is Laura Schlessinger. And she did not make any comments about the reaction to this incident. She made a more general comment about what happens when she says something that upsets people. There were calls for boycotts and other actions after her comments about gays years ago.
Here is the text of the e-mail I sent to the Dean, USC Rossier School of Education:
Question about a post-doctoral certificate in Marriage and Family Therapy
Dear Dr. Gallagher:
A recent news item about radio host Laura Schlessinger included, as part of her C.V., her “post-doctoral certification in Marriage, Family, and Child Counseling from the University of Southern California.” Numerous other websites, including Schlessinger’s own, also make this statement.
Does USC offer such a certification, or did you at some point previous to this? And to the extent you can answer, so far as you are aware, does Laura Schlessinger have such a credential?
This inquiry is purely a matter of personal interest, and has nothing to do with my position at (my organization).
If you cannot comment on this, I certainly understand.
Thanks in advance for your time and attention to this question.
I will report back any response. (I mentioned my organization because I used my work e-mail, and wanted to make clear it’s a personal and not professional inquiry. I redacted here for obvious reasons).
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Actually, you got me there. I was thinking psychologist in my head the whole time. A little research shows there are only four fields allowed legally to call themselves psychotherapists in California and MFTs are one of them. So she can call herself a licensed psychotherapist after all.
But that has already been cited many times, and you don’t seem to notice. You made a claim that she had falsified her credentials. The burden of proof, therefore, is on you, and you haven’t even come up with one single cite for any of the nonsense you are pitching.
I understand how it works for you, where you make things up and repeat them over and over until people get tired of wasting time on your nonsense, and then you have the feeling that you have established your point by sheer pig-headedness. I am simply highlighting this, so that no one makes the mistake of taking your assertions seriously.
You made this claim
which is false (cite). You made this one
which is also false as has been cited.
Like I say, it is important to good debate that it is clear which statements are reliable, and which are not. Yours in this thread are not.
See how it works for honest debate, Diogenes? Now think who comes out of this exchange looking better?
Regards,
Shodan
Supposedly there’s a video of him beating and stomping a woman at an anti-war protest too. Sounds like a total psychopath.
Nevermind…already covered.
No it hasn’t. Cite?
Nope, both of those claims are true. She has never been a coillege professor (seh claims in her bio that she was on the “faculty” but she wasn’t), and no cite (other than her own biography) has been shown that she has ever been licensed in any state to perform any kind of psychotherapy.
Just to clear up any misunderstandings, I think the mistyped attribution with the quote function was unintentional. I said that, not Whack-a-Mole.
I don’t believe she’s ever been on the faculty of anything because the only thing I can find is her having guest speaking engagements and her own bio. She is, in fact, a licensed MFT in Cali though:
http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/WLLQRYNA$LCEV2.QueryView?P_LICENSE_NUMBER=14914&P_LTE_ID=720
I did a license search on the California BBS website.
None of this makes me loathe her any less and I still think she’s a raging hypocrite, but she is a licensed raging hypocrite.
Actually, Diogenes did identify a valid point.
He cannot cite the claim “She’s never been licensed.”
He rejects the evidence from Schlessinger herself. His claim, in other words, is two-fold: (1) Schlessinger has never been licensed in any state or by any licensing board; and (2) Any claim to the contrary originating from Schlessinger herself is unacceptable to prove this point.
So it’s true that the burden rests with his opponents to show the contrary.
Where his position may become untenable is in what evidence he will accept. It’s not unreasonable, in other words, to take the position that Schlessinger herself is lying. It would be unreasonable to say, at the other extreme, that only a notarized copy of her original license, “long form,” from the vault in [del]Hawaii[/del] California would suffice to prove the point.
So, to make this crystal clear, when Dio the Expert averred (indeed, the claim that set us down this path to begin with):
He was completely incorrect, and that further, a modicum of research, rather than going off half-cocked, would have made that apparent. Is that not a fair assessment of the situation? And what effect, in your opinion, should this have on his credibility when making subsequent similar claims?
Thanks for doing that, Bricker, but as someone who fields requests like this for my own university, I can say you probably will be told (if you hear from them at all) that they can’t release that information without the consent of the former student involved. For a case like this involving a public figure/celebrity/someone in the news, I can almost guarantee they won’t bother trying to get that consent.
Ok, she’s a licensed MFT in California. I was wrong. Fuck me.:mad:
She’s still a really SHITTY MFT, and it’s still an artifice for her to call her certificate “post-doctoral,” but I was wrong to say she doesn’t have ANY credentials. Fuck me, I hate being wrong. :mad:
Considering the bad faith arguments you offer up to avoid these admissions, I can only imagine how much you hate it.
I hope they’ll be able to comment on the general existence of the certificate, which will also put the skids to Dio’s “artifice” claim about the existence of anything called a post-doctoral certificate.
I’m dead certain it will just be an ordinary certificate that she calls “post-doctoral” only because she got it after she got her doctorate in Physiology. I honestly don’t see how she could have qualified for a real post-doctoral program in psychology without even an undergrad degree in psychology. Physiology just doesn’t translate.
Yeah, that would be a good outcome as well. Personally I’d wished you’d just asked that question, because asking about a specific person would give them all the more reason to ignore the e-mail. After all, it’s right before the start of the Fall semester and the Dean’s Office is probably swamped right now.
Here’s what she needed to get that license: California Business and Professions Code Section 4980.36:
And you’ll forgive me if I discount your being “dead certain” about anything.
I wasn’t talking about her license, I was talking about the “post-doctoral” certification program she claims to have gone through at USC. That has nothing to do with her California licensure. What I’m saying is that I don’t believe it was really a post-doctoral program at all, but just an undergrad program that she called “post-doctoral” because she did it after she got her doctorate.