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Lawdamighty, I wasn’t trying to diagnose the woman. I just felt like she could use a good evaluation from a professional who is used to dealing with rage issues.
Hell, my dad was kinda like that mom–he didn’t beat the crap out of us like that, but he certainly used that type of language. And then as I got older and had my own child I felt the same sort of anger creeping up on me and I couldn’t figure out why. After all, I hated being treated like that, why would I do it to my own kid?
I don’t have those answers, but I think they amount to more than her being a “bully.” There is help out there for people like that, but I am fairly certain that Dr. Phil isn’t the answer to those kid’s prayers.
Also, an afternoon Dr. Phil vent was just that…a vent. No need to pick apart everything I said. Great if you disagree, but I’m not an idiot and don’t need to be spoken to as if I am.
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I think he probably IS the answer. For whatever reason, she chose to expose her problem on national TV, knowing full well that the authorities would be called. He’s setting them up with shrinks, getting the children out of the environment (I seriously doubt they’ll be leaving the kids with either parent at this point) and her facade has been leveled. There are really only two options for her at this point: get help and get your shit together or lose your kids forever.
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I really, really wish people would do some fucking research before sounding off, “oh my god, kids are only on Ritalin because they need discipline!” It’s so much bullshit.
[/QUOTE] Guin, keep in mind that this is your opinion. It is my opinion that ADD (or whatever) is an imaginary disease.
[QUOTE=Crafter_Man] Guin, keep in mind that this is your opinion. It is my opinion that ADD (or whatever) is an imaginary disease.
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And if it does in fact exist, it certainly over diagnosed.
I was amazed when I was sitting with a group of 20 college Freshmen and they were all talking about the various psych drugs they were on. Most “had” some form of ADD, some had a few other things. They seriously looked at me like I had 5 heads when I said that I don’t take any medication, because there is nothing wrong with me. And I’m not exaggerating in the least when I say that there were about 20 people who were ALL on meds.
[QUOTE=Shayna]
What illness? The only person so far who has “diagnosed” her with a mental illness is Indygrrl, who, as a mere layperson and casual television viewer, is hardly qualified to make such a diagnosis.
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Nor is “Dr” Phil. True, he has a PhD, so he is hardly ignorant, but he’s not a MD, not even close.
Now, at least in his case, his PhD is in Psychology, so it’s a LOT more relevant than “Dr” Laura’s, who really should not be called “Dr”. IMHO- “Doctor” is reserved for medical pros and certain religious degrees. However, if you have earned a PhD, by all means use those letters after you name, of course! Now, some like to call PhD’s “Dr”,and that’s a matter of opinion, sure. But if your PhD isn’t in an appropriate area of expertise, then (like “Dr” Laura), by using “Dr” you’re commiting fraud- IMHO. So, if you’re giving Psychiatric advice, and your PhD is in History, then don’t call yourself “Dr”, PhD or no.
In “Dr Phils” case, it’s not so bad, but still he’s a Psychologist, not a Psychiatrist, thus his ability to “diagnose mental illness” is limited. I have a degree too, but…
[QUOTE=DrDeth]
Now, at least in his case, his PhD is in Psychology, so it’s a LOT more relevant than “Dr” Laura’s, who really should not be called “Dr”. IMHO- “Doctor” is reserved for medical pros and certain religious degrees. However, if you have earned a PhD, by all means use those letters after you name, of course! Now, some like to call PhD’s “Dr”,and that’s a matter of opinion, sure. But if your PhD isn’t in an appropriate area of expertise, then (like “Dr” Laura), by using “Dr” you’re commiting fraud- IMHO. So, if you’re giving Psychiatric advice, and your PhD is in History, then don’t call yourself “Dr”, PhD or no.
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I’ll be sure to let all the PhDs on my floor, who went to school for 8 - 10 years to get their degrees, know what you think they should or shouldn’t call themselves.
[QUOTE=alice_in_wonderland]
I’ll be sure to let all the PhDs on my floor, who went to school for 8 - 10 years to get their degrees, know what you think they should or shouldn’t call themselves.
Dr. Deth. :rolleyes:
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DrDeth is my nickname, due to my degree and my occupation, and some of the dudes at work call me that- in a joking way. However, I *never * refer to myself as “Dr. Realname” . But if you read my post- I said “Now, some like to call PhD’s “Dr”,and that’s a matter of opinion, sure" so if the " all the PhDs on my floor, who went to school for 8 - 10 years to get their degrees” want to call themselves “Dr”, then like I said “that’s a matter of opinion” or if your prefer “a matter of personal preference”. However, if their degree is outside of the field they are giving their opinion in- especially if that opinion relates to MEDICAL matter, then, no, they shouldn’t be using “Dr” to refer to themselves. Having a PhD in Philosphy does not entitle you to call yourself “Dr” when giving medical advice, and in fact it can be a crime- IANAL, YMMV.
No, he’s not a medical doctor but this is far from Dr. Schlesinger using her degree in primary gym education to come off as a clinical psychologist.
A Psy.D. is an intensive program that combines academic, research, and clincal study to produce a clinician that provides psychological care and therapy, usually in conjunction with a psychiatrist. Using his title of doctor is totally appropriate in my mind. Again, he’s not giving medical advice or even psychotherapy. It’s more like psychological and behavioral advice.
[QUOTE=threemae]
No, he’s not a medical doctor but this is far from Dr. Schlesinger using her degree in primary gym education to come off as a clinical psychologist.
A Psy.D. is an intensive program that combines academic, research, and clincal study to produce a clinician that provides psychological care and therapy, usually in conjunction with a psychiatrist. Using his title of doctor is totally appropriate in my mind. Again, he’s not giving medical advice or even psychotherapy. It’s more like psychological and behavioral advice.
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Sure, and in his case, “Dr Phil” is OK, since his degree is directly related to what he does. But he’s still not an MD, thus not a Psychiatrist. Thus although certainly he can give advice and even treat certain problems using certain sorts of therapy, he can’t diagnose a “mental illness”, which is what I was responding to. Diagnosing is left to MDs, not PhDs. I have no real problem with Dr Phil using the “Dr” part on his show- although some of his advice seems strange to me, I have not yet seen him cross the line into actual medical diagnostics and treatments.
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he can’t diagnose a “mental illness”, which is what I was responding to. Diagnosing is left to MDs, not PhDs.
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The hell? This is totally false.
Clinical psychologists diagnose and treat patients all the time - they just don’t perscribe medications.
My dad is a CP with only a crappy MSc and he’d be really surprised to know that he didn’t diagnose or treat any of his patients in his years of owing a private practice.
[QUOTE=alice_in_wonderland]
The hell? This is totally false.
Clinical psychologists diagnose and treat patients all the time - they just don’t perscribe medications.
My dad is a CP with only a crappy MSc and he’d be really surprised to know that he didn’t diagnose or treat any of his patients in his years of owing a private practice.
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There’s a HUGE “turf war” between Psycholgists & Psychiatrists, and their authorities overlap, and change from year to year and from State to State.
If Psy.D.'s aren’t diagnosing people, sharing there diagnosis, and submitting paperwork to insurance companies for reimbursement on the basis of these diagnosis, then exactly why do they have there ICDM’s or DSM’s sitting on their desks?
The only turf war here might be with a psychiatrist with some manner of inferiority complex.
