California Gov. Gray Davis signed a bill allowing illegal immigrants the right to get California driver’s license’s.
Is this right? Or wrong? Gov. Davis said in a speech that illegal
immigrants have a right to drive.
Illegal immigrants are supposed to be deported.
Why on earth would anyone want to give them an american drivers license? This cant be serious, and it is a bad joke, very poor taste.
I don’t think it’s right.
Because Driving isn’t a ‘right’. It’s a privilege.
No joke. Gray Davis is fighting for his job right now- the recall election is slated for October, and he’s trying to gain favor with the Hispanic community, which makes up a sizeable portion of the population of Californiay.
I think it’s terrible. Illegal aliens are breaking the law by their very presence in this country. Giving them drivers licenses gives them an air of legitimacy.
FYI, there’s already a thread about this here which contains the text of the bill.
They are here. They are going to drive. A driver’s license just makes sure they now the rules of the road.
Denying a driver’s license just ensures that they are less knowledgable about America’s laws, and probably more likely to cause an accidnet.
So we should punish them when they do, not reward them for breaking the law.
So a person can’t know the rules of the road until they get a license? It magically imparts wisdom on them?
If they gave a fuck about the laws, they wouldn’t be here. Let them wait their turn in line like everyone else.
What difference does that make? Illegal immigrants cant vote anyway.
As governor, Davis should be doing everything possible to follow the law of the land, and in helping to deport as many illegals as he can. Davis should be making sure that the Highway patrol and any other local agency that gets any help from the state government, does everything possible in catching and deporting illegals.
Anyways, I still say this is a joke, no one with a brain, other than perhaps a criminal, would really want to issue a real drivers license to an illegal immigrant.
Can a person get insurance without a SS#?
I have to have insurance to drive.
Ummm. No.
I “don’t know the rules of the road in Mexico” But I can drive there just fine.
The concern is that other, legal immigrants in the state might see this as support for “their people”, which would lead them to support Davis.
But legal immigrants can.
That’s the vote he is after.
Further, let’s see some cites about how many accidents are caused by illegal immigrants without licenses before we hear claims that it’ll make the roads safer.
Why not just arrest and deport them when they apply for said liscense?
I know a kid who was an illegal immigrant who drove without a license. His parents took him here when they immigrated in middle school. When he turned 16, he was expected to work and in order to work he needed to drive. So he did.
He got in a small crash. The woman he crashed into claimed whiplash. He couldn’t fight against it.
He became legal as soon as he was old enough to figure out the paperwork. But he’s still paying off that lady. It kept him from being able to go to college. It’s a sad story.
That doesnt make sense. Please explain!
The legal immigrants that I know, and the ancestors of legal immigrants that I know,(whether they are from mexico or any other country) who DID!!! follow the United States law, who DID respect it, and who DID go thru all the hoops to come to this country legally, dont like others sneaking in here illegally either.
Are you saying that latinos are unique, in that although they themselves respected our laws, and and followed all the correct procedures, that they really, in truth, dont respect our laws?
Seems to me , that is an insult to all the latinos who are law abiding citizens who DID follow and respect all United States laws and correctly and legitimately became legal United States citizens.
YOur statement implies that latino United States citizens of mexican birth, are hypcritical liars, who lied when they took the oath for United States citizenship and dont repect nor want United States law to be followed.
If you are saying that is true, and that legal United States citizens of mexican decent as a group, are different from other groups in that they dont want others from Mexico to go thru the same procedures that they went thru , then what is your basis for saying that?
Most honest and decent citizens who came here legally, or who are decendents of those who followed the law, think that letting others(i.e. criminals) into this country without going thry legal immigration procedures, debases, and dishonors what they themselves did.
I dont see why people of mexican decent would feel differently than United States citizens of Bulgarian, Indian, English, French, German, Russian, etc decent.
My own family came here as legal immigrants, we filed the correct papers, and did everything the United States law required. We repect others who went thru the same legal process, and we dont respect nor want other people from our ancestral country to come here illegally/criminally at all!
If you think people of Mexican decent are different from all the other people of the world who came to the United States legally, then tell us people of Mexican decent are uniquely different from everybody else.
So, Susannan, I get the sense from your posts that your family came as legal immigrants and legal immigrants from any country are fine, but those illegals break our laws and should be deported, but legal immigrants are A-OK, but illegals… uh…
There’s actually quite a bit of information out there on “Latino” identity, including some SDMB threads; I personally disagree with much of it, and find quite a bit of hypocrisy in Mexican-American communities regarding the treatment of Mexican nationals. And, for what it’s worth, I think that the CA provision is a terrible and dangerous idea.
But if you’re truly interested on why a citizen of Mexican descent would have a political posture favoring social and administrative assimilation of their presumed brethren, it won’t take too much digging.
I’d like to see a cite for how you determined that “Most honest and decent citizens think…” I’m sure the Mexicans demand compliance from the Armenians who demand compliance from the Papuans who demand compliance from the Sealanders, but I would suspect that not many individuals of any national identity or identity movement would happily give up a relative or countryman to the immigration authorities for an illegal entry.
Keep in mind that, by the simple reason of geography, Mexicans especially and Latin Americans generally can get into the U.S. illegally with more ease than the Polish, Koreans, Taiwanese, etc.
Here’s the oath of citizenship: I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God. In acknowledgement whereof I have hereunto affixed my signature.
Unless “enemies” is defined somewhere in federal statute as all persons who act in contravention of the law, I don’t see where a person should be called a “hypocritical liar” for giving moral support to a community–especially in this case, following the laws of the state of California.
Is that an endorsment of the CA bill?
I agree it’s a sad story. But your friend has learned an important lesson: breaking the law has consequences.
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Yep! My family completely and totally dutifully followed the Constitution, and all of the laws and all regulations of the United States in legally immigrating here. None of my family lied nor deceived anyone, either in the letter of the law, or in the spirit of the law, when we took the oath to become full United States citizens.
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Yep! A foreign invader/illegal alien/criminal is an “enemy” of our Constitution and our “LAWS”. I really dont see how you think a foreigner who illegally sneaks accross our borders to break and in violation of our laws, is a “friend” of our laws, or our sovereignty, or how anyone who supports same, facilitates same, or who wants our borders insecure and violated is a “friend” of our laws or Constittution.
Are people who speed “enemies” of our Constitution? Are those who don’t recycle properly and violate a municipal ordinance, “enemies” of our Constitution?
Are those who favor the loosening of immigration laws “enemies” of our Constution?