I took a test like that for my current job. I told the honest truth on all questions, and of course failed. However, there was an interview afterwards and my future boss told me HIS boss said that he was not to hire me based on the answers I gave. He said too bad and hired me anyway.
The best I can figure it may have cost you the job. You don’t even know yet and even if you don’t get it you’re not going to be sure that was the cause. In the meantime you have started this thread, moaning and groaning and have also started a thread in GD about the same thing. You want people to tell you that you should have been dishonest or to just tell you how unfair the system is that they didn’t tell you immediately that you had the job due to your unbelievable honesty.
Sorry, I think you are pretty damn pathetic. Stop complaining and stop telling everyone about what an honest yet dumb schmoe you are. Hell you went down the middle ground as it was. You could have answered the question with a worse answer. I think you are afraid you won’t get the job and are making excuses in advance.
You answered honestly. I commend that. However, they cannot tell if you answered honestly intentionally and really are honest or that you were too stupid to lie. Sad as it is, lie next time.
shut your hole, kniz. can’t you see that this is a time to be conformist and tell her what she wants to hear? 
For the record, I do not think the OP was stupid for answering the “test” honestly, there was a time when I would have done the same thing and I really do wish I still could say I would.
This dumb ass test became popular when lie detector tests were outlawed for employment. They dont work, they are counter productive, and just pain ingorant.
He, actually.
And I’m not looking for confirmation that I should have lied. I wished to post a rant about the idiocy of these assessments, essentially tests of ethics which the average person is required to lie on in order to “pass”, inspired by my recent experience. It’s not like I haven’t seen lamer reasons to rant here in the Pit.
And I’ve thought often about the divergence between what we teach our kids and what would, looking at the world of business and careers, actually put them on top of the pile. This test didn’t inspire me to think about that, it only inspired me to post about it finally.
jayjay
Don’t give up yet. You didn’t indicate the size of the company at which you applied, but my somewhat brief private sector experience (as a mid–and hiring–mgr) tells me that HR departments hold grossly varying degrees of sway in hiring decisions. Most fortunately, my own (f500) company treats HR managers as “advisors,” which to me means they are just another input, one to be freely disregarded when it contradicts my impressions. I make my management hiring decisions based almost completely on the interview, as I’ve found it to be the best predictor of performance. When I decide to hire, I bully HR into paying what I think they’re worth, not they. However, if you applied for a non-management job, it’s been my experience that HR plays a greater role, and you may in fact be scrod, to use the pluperfect subjunctive. Let us know how things turn out, OK?
JayJay, I agree you were probably not entirely, um, practical to answer honestly. But…when I was in high school (this was nearly twenty years ago) two friends of mine applied for the same job. They had to take one of these “ethics” tests. One question was “Would you ever think about stealing from the company?” One friend thought, “heck yes, I would, but I’m not saying that if I want the job!” The second thought, “Sure, I would think about it, who wouldn’t?” and answered yes. The honest one got the job. So you never know.
Still, I would be pretty paranoid about answering a drug question in any way but the socially acceptable one, if I was looking for a job.
Uh, except that it doesn’t. Remember that the American Medical Association came out in favor of marijuana decriminalization in 1977–not something you’d expect them to do if it caused brain damage.
Oh, and it doesn’t cause men to grow breasts either.
(Sorry about the hijack, I just get a little irritated when the War on Drugs ends up fueling a War on Truth)
quote:
Originally posted by Guinastasia
I don't see weed as evil incarnate, but I don't
see it as harmless, either.
It kills brain cells.
Yeah, and smoking pot turns people into lazy, shiftless bums.
Of course all pot smokers have significant short-term memory loss as well.
Pot smoking turns every smoker into infantile, giggling morons too.
Everyone also knows that marijuana is a “gateway drug” to stronger drugs too.
Guin, I’ve read a lot of your posts and enjoyed how well informed and fair they are. However, to buy into the crap that cannabis causes brain damage seems a little weird coming from someone who otherwise seems so informed.Check out Mr.Frink’s link. If you want, I could steer you toward other info.
Back to the OP: jayjay, what you do or think about anything not related to doing your job is none of an employer’s business! They pay you, or will, if you get the job, to work for them. Not to attend church, vote for a particular candidate, or have opinions on the morality of anything. Unfortunately, lying is sometimes necessary to get a job.
quote:
Originally posted by Guinastasia
I don't see weed as evil incarnate, but I don't
see it as harmless, either.
It kills brain cells.
Yeah, and smoking pot turns people into lazy, shiftless bums.
Of course all pot smokers have significant short-term memory loss as well.
Pot smoking turns every smoker into infantile, giggling morons too.
Everyone also knows that marijuana is a “gateway drug” to stronger drugs too.
Guin, I’ve read a lot of your posts and enjoyed how well informed and fair they are. However, to buy into the crap that cannabis causes brain damage seems a little weird coming from someone who otherwise seems so informed.Check out Mr.Frink’s link. If you want, I could steer you toward other info.
Back to the OP: jayjay, what you do or think about anything not related to doing your job is none of an employer’s business! They pay you, or will, if you get the job, to work for them. Not to attend church, vote for a particular candidate, or have opinions on the morality of anything. Unfortunately, lying is sometimes necessary to get a job.
quote:
Originally posted by Guinastasia
I don't see weed as evil incarnate, but I don't
see it as harmless, either.
It kills brain cells.
Yeah, and smoking pot turns people into lazy, shiftless bums.
Of course all pot smokers have significant short-term memory loss as well.
Pot smoking turns every smoker into infantile, giggling morons too.
Everyone also knows that marijuana is a “gateway drug” to stronger drugs too.
Guin, I’ve read a lot of your posts and enjoyed how well informed and fair they are. However, to buy into the crap that cannabis causes brain damage seems a little weird coming from someone who otherwise seems so informed.Check out Mr.Frink’s link. If you want, I could steer you toward other info.
Back to the OP: jayjay, what you do or think about anything not related to doing your job is none of an employer’s business! They pay you, or will, if you get the job, to work for them. Not to attend church, vote for a particular candidate, or have opinions on the morality of anything. Unfortunately, lying is sometimes necessary to get a job.
I had just the opposite happen to me a couple of years ago.I wasn’t found “not moral enough”, but apparently not immoral enough.
Due to the closure of the chemical plant that had employed me for 24 years, I was not only looking for a job but toying with the idea of changing fields. I answered an ad from a car dealer seeking “People seeking a career change. No sales experience necessary”.
The test that I was administered had no product-knowledge questions at all. Basically, it asked, in various different ways, whether I believed in serving the customer’s needs or I believed in pushing the limits of the customer’s credit line.
My basic philosophy being that I was going to be in this career 20+ years and wanted repeat customers, I answered that I thought that people who pushed less and listened to the customer more were better thought-of than pushy types who padded their commississions.
I was told NOT to consider a career selling cars; that my test score was “exceptionally low”.
I answered a couple more ads, including one from a so-called “no-hassle, different kind of sales experience” car company and found that most dealers use the same test and that the first dealer had me placed in the testing company’s data bank; so there was no use in my retaking the test and trying to modify the answers to fit what the subscribers to this test apparently want in a salesman.
Smegma’s sig:
How apropos.
I had just the opposite happen to me a couple of years ago.I wasn’t found “not moral enough”, but apparently not immoral enough.
Due to the closure of the chemical plant that had employed me for 24 years, I was not only looking for a job but toying with the idea of changing fields. I answered an ad from a car dealer seeking “People seeking a career change. No sales experience necessary”.
The test that I was administered had no product-knowledge questions at all. Basically, it asked, in various different ways, whether I believed in serving the customer’s needs or I believed in pushing the limits of the customer’s credit line.
My basic philosophy being that I was going to be in this career 20+ years and wanted repeat customers, I answered that I thought that people who pushed less and listened to the customer more were better thought-of than pushy types who padded their commississions.
I was told NOT to consider a career selling cars; that my test score was “exceptionally low”.
I answered a couple more ads, including one from a so-called “no-hassle, different kind of sales experience” car company and found that most dealers use the same test and that the first dealer had me placed in the testing company’s data bank; so there was no use in my retaking the test and trying to modify the answers to fit what the subscribers to this test apparently want in a salesman.
Smegma’s sig:
How apropos.
I heard that pot does cause multiple posts, though!
Oh for crying out loud!
Where did I say it caused BRAIN DAMAGE? I said it kills brain cells.
The two are not the same, dammit.
:rolleyes:
Damn.
No, not stoned, just high on Mrs. Smegma’s scrambled eggs w/mushrooms and Canadian bacon and several cups of coffee. Also irritated with my
v-e-r-y s-l-o-w connection. Usually when I hit “stop loading” and then “reload” when the electrons are oozing too slowly, I get posted once. And faster.
Yup,AHunter3, the sig worked, but “five is right out!”
Guin, sorry I got snippy there, but I have to disagree with you. Killing brain cells is brain damage. There is nothing to support the idea that smoking weed causes any more (if any) brain cell death than not, assuming one isn’t swilling large amounts of alcohol, sniffing glue, etc, while also smoking weed.
only once this time…
I’m just glad I remembered to stick a smiley in there. Otherwise, I’d have been asked for a cite.
Betcha clicked on it, dint ya? Psych!