[QUOTE=Minotaurus]
why don’t go and take a dish somewhere
Oh no i forgot, your kind is too busy trying to attack men for about everything you can’t manage by your self.
It’s pathetic to see your kind always trying to show that you are as good as men in everything. You stretch and stretch to be more like men, but you always fail
I can not be easy to have more in common with an orangutan than a man
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What?
I am not known for my readiness to align myself with feminism <– sizeable understatement,
but your witless and incoherent attack on Broomstick is, frankly, cretinous. The major accomplishment I associate with Broomstick is that of being an aviatrix… instances of stretching and stretching to be more like men, eh, not so much; attacking men for what she can’t manage by herself, still less.
Now really, can’t you just fucko off? You’re tarring honest male chauvinist pigs by association, and you’re embarrassing into the bargain.
[QUOTE=Broomstick] Ghanima does raise a valid point (although I may not agree with her particulars). No, wearing a t-shirt saying “I am a horny slut” should NOT be considered an invitation to rape. However, it is a sad fact of life that there are some very nasty people out there. Likewise, no, it should not be that a woman walking alone after dark is “asking for it”, but that is the mindset of the predator. Part of staying safe in this world is recognizing that this sort of evil person really does exist and really is out there in the world. Good, wholesome men of high moral character, when cronfronted by a drunken “slut” slobbering over them will know better than to “take advantage”, but not every male human is wholesome or possesses morals. Some really would take advantage of such a situation.
And mojave66 raises another point, that these girls may become the target of anti-homosexual violence. Again, there is no excuse for harming people for sexual orientation, but we all know there are people out there who would do it, feel justified in doing, and some of them even probably seek out opportunites to commit violence on homosexuals. One of the reasons I suspect these aren’t real lesibians but bad grrlz play-acting is that real homosexuals, even when intoxicated, are much more aware of the potential for violence and danger.
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I would say that if you organize your life according to what will or won’t piss off a psychotic, you’re doing a lot worse. It doesn’t take a wholesome man of high moral character to not rape or fondle a drunk woman because of what she’s wearing. If that were the case, I would certainly not be making this argument.
It is like gay-bashing. It would be absurd to say to two men holding hands that they should expect to get beaten up. Why is it OK to say that about the babytramps?
[QUOTE=saoirse]
It is like gay-bashing. It would be absurd to say to two men holding hands that they should expect to get beaten up. Why is it OK to say that about the babytramps?
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I hate to say it, but there are still rather a lot of places- even in “Civilised” countries- where two men holding hands could reasonably expect to be beaten up.
I would normally scoff at the idea that lesbians could be the subject of violence (everyone loves lesbians, right?), but I’ve had the misfortune to witness it with my own two eyes- from other women, no less. It wasn’t pretty, and gives a whole new meaning to the term “Catfight”.
[QUOTE=Minotaurus]
why don’t go and take a dish somewhere
Oh no i forgot, your kind is too busy trying to attack men for about everything you can’t manage by your self.
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You clearly haven’t encountered Broomstick very much. She’s busy trying to attack men for about everthing they can’t manage by themselves.
[QUOTE=Broomstick]
What, you went down to the whorehouse and couldn’t find anyone to give you attention despite a fistful of money? Your housekeeper will do dishes, but not you? Your mail-order bride took one look at you, stamped her ass “return to sender”, and went back to mama?
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[QUOTE=Minotaurus]
why don’t go and take a dish somewhere
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Wow, you sure showed her, didn’t you? Jesus.
Minotaurus, verbal sparring is clearly not your strong suit. Perhaps you should challenge Broomstick to something you might actually be good at, like yelling at clouds or wiping boogers on the wall? (I still wouldn’t give you odds to win, but you might at least have a chance.)
[QUOTE=Giraffe]
Wow, you sure showed her, didn’t you? Jesus.
Minotaurus, verbal sparring is clearly not your strong suit. Perhaps you should challenge Broomstick to something you might actually be good at, like yelling at clouds or wiping boogers on the wall? (I still wouldn’t give you odds to win, but you might at least have a chance.)
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and yet ske use the words “lezbo sluts” in the title
[QUOTE=Martini Enfield]
I hate to say it, but there are still rather a lot of places- even in “Civilised” countries- where two men holding hands could reasonably expect to be beaten up.
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I understand what you’re saying, though I would maintain that two men can never reasonably expect to get beaten up for holding hands.
The thing with women is that they are not considered “fair game” by any objective standard, but rather for being sluttier than average. So the only way to be thought of that way is to be more modest. Only thing is, almost everyone else would do the same thing. So the standard for what constitutes a woman who can “reasonably expect” to be sexually harassed or assaulted is constantly being pushed downward until what was perfectly demure, “not asking for it” behavior has become deviant.
[QUOTE=Minotaurus]
why don’t go and take a dish somewhere
Oh no i forgot, your kind is too busy trying to attack men for about everything you can’t manage by your self.
It’s pathetic to see your kind always trying to show that you are as good as men in everything. You stretch and stretch to be more like men, but you always fail
I can not be easy to have more in common with an orangutan than a man
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It would be a hell of a lot easier to respond to that IF IT WAS FUCKING COHERENT The stereotype is that men are less adept than women at various language skills - must you perpetuate the myth?
Let’s see… if you follow the typical pattern you will next acuse me of being a dyke, and when I deny it, will challenge me to “prove” it by having sex with you. No thank you. I’d rather felch a week-old piece of road kill.
Let me make that perfectly clear - I don’t dislike MEN, I dislike YOU. You personally. Please do not mistake the singular for the whole horde.
Well, I’m – >snnnnnnnaaaaaaaaaaaaark!< SNIFF! snort >sniffle< – pretty good with boogers, and I’ve been on intimate terms with clouds before. Perhaps we should find something else for the duel so the poor dear has at least a chance of besting me at something.
Avoiding cleaning up after oneself, perhaps. Given his views on housework expressed elsewhere he should be a shoo-in for that one.
[QUOTE=saoirse]
I would say that if you organize your life according to what will or won’t piss off a psychotic, you’re doing a lot worse. It doesn’t take a wholesome man of high moral character to not rape or fondle a drunk woman because of what she’s wearing.
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Granted that it takes a low sort of human being to rape/fondle drunk women, but there are a lot of that sort out there in sheer numbers, even if the percentages are low.
I don’t organize my life around what might piss off a psycho, but I also realize that they exist and are out there. Letting down your defenses by getting drunk, in a big city, increases your risk. While I agree with the argument that a SHITLS should be able to pass out face down on a public sidewalk and sleep off the bender unmolested, the bitter reality is that such a situation is a really dumb thing to put yourself into.
It’s not an OK action either way - it is a recognition that reality isn’t always morally wonderful. Two men holding hands should NOT get beat up – but it happens. Ditto for girl-on-girl affection. Dumb, stupid, immoral, and all sorts of things… but it happens. Just like rape and muggings and home robberies. Bad, Bad, Bad all of it, but there ARE bad people in this world.
You get drunk abroad and you can get killed. This story is so fucking absurd.
Why does this get airplay? This guy is dead on.
[QUOTE=Broomstick]
Granted that it takes a low sort of human being to rape/fondle drunk women, but there are a lot of that sort out there in sheer numbers, even if the percentages are low.
I don’t organize my life around what might piss off a psycho, but I also realize that they exist and are out there. Letting down your defenses by getting drunk, in a big city, increases your risk. While I agree with the argument that a SHITLS should be able to pass out face down on a public sidewalk and sleep off the bender unmolested, the bitter reality is that such a situation is a really dumb thing to put yourself into.
It’s not an OK action either way - it is a recognition that reality isn’t always morally wonderful. Two men holding hands should NOT get beat up – but it happens. Ditto for girl-on-girl affection. Dumb, stupid, immoral, and all sorts of things… but it happens. Just like rape and muggings and home robberies. Bad, Bad, Bad all of it, but there ARE bad people in this world.
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[QUOTE=nanny432]
You get drunk abroad and you can get killed. This story is so fucking absurd.
Why does this get airplay? This guy is dead on.
[/QUOTE] nanny432, on the off chance you’re not a spammer, don’t post any more links to your website. If you do, you’ll be banned. We take a dim view of guests who do nothing but post links to their websites.
[QUOTE=saoirse]
I understand what you’re saying, though I would maintain that two men can never reasonably expect to get beaten up for holding hands.
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Whereas I’d maintain that there ARE places where two men holding hands could reasonably expect to get beaten up, and they’re not all in backwards 3rd world countries currenly experiencing Rebel Insurrections, either…
[QUOTE=saoirse]
I understand what you’re saying, though I would maintain that two men can never reasonably expect to get beaten up for holding hands.
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Actually, it’s an entirely reasonable expectation, even if the attack itself is unreasonable. There are a lot of situations where one can reasonably expect an unreasonable reaction. A black guy attending a Klan rally can reasonably expect trouble, even though racism itself is thoroughly unreasonable. Heck, if you visit a psychiatric hospital, it would be unreasonable to expect a lot of reasonable behavior by the inmates.
[QUOTE=Miller]
Actually, it’s an entirely reasonable expectation, even if the attack itself is unreasonable. There are a lot of situations where one can reasonably expect an unreasonable reaction. A black guy attending a Klan rally can reasonably expect trouble, even though racism itself is thoroughly unreasonable. Heck, if you visit a psychiatric hospital, it would be unreasonable to expect a lot of reasonable behavior by the inmates.
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Miller nails it; it’s the shade of meaning you apply to the word “reasonable”. If you mean “reasonable” in the sense of fair or just, then it’s obviously unreasonable for a girl in slutty clothes to get crotch-groped by a horny passer-by, or a couple of guys holding hands to get ragged on or beaten up by the local simian population, or for me displaying a shitload of bling in a poor and notoriously rough district of town to expect to get mugged. But define “reasonable” as to what the man on the bus is going to expect to happen rather more often than not, and it’s another question entirely. Let’s be careful out there.
True up to a point, but I think society allows some wiggle room either side of the median, so it is not necessary to aim continually below the 50th percentile, and hence lower the median, all the time
[QUOTE=Broomstick]
What, you went down to the whorehouse and couldn’t find anyone to give you attention despite a fistful of money?
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Hijacking your hijack – I remember a story a friend of mine told me about a night in Boy’s Town where this very thing happened. Brings tears of laughter to my eyes just to think about it.
