Does anyone take fucking responsibilty for their own actions anymore? The police and firemen didn’t lock your kid in the car-you did. They wanted to get your kid out of the car ASAP, but you were worried about the damn window.
Watching your kid inside a locked car isn’t their job!
Of course, we also have Bombastic Fuckstick, Esq. who wants to sue the police and firefighters because this is their fault. :rolleyes:
Big “oops” on the rescue workers part, 911 operator and what not IMO.
Big “oops” on woman’s part to call 911 in the first place.
A 2 year old in a car with a person watching for danger is not in danger. The window can always be broken if danger arises.
No spouse?
No neighbor to call?
No taxi company to call?
Once you call 911 or cry for help, you are at the mercy of all fools within 100 miles.
{aside} If I am stranding beside my car with my child is it and some passing dogooder sees that the doors are locked and either tries to break into the car or call some emergency type who thinks they are going to break into my car, somebody is most likely to get hurt.
With only the info available in the linked article, the parent is toast because they did call for help. Once that is done, you are at their mercy.
With the info in the article, it is very obvious that the 911 operator was way out of line IMO. And the rescue people that showed up were way out of line.
It is not their job to baby sit nor is it their job to wantonly destroy peoples property for no reason but they do it more times than you would think.
This is a good example of having people in charge that have no common sense, no compassion and only a desire to cover their asses coupled with our usual zero tolerance and zero common sense protocols that must be adhered to no matter how stupid in some cases.
Need a lot more info on circumstances on who need the pitting IMO.
As it stands,
The woman for calling the 911 - police - emergency - firemen for a not emergency.
The 911 operator needs a performance review. Real bad.
The actual rescue people do not need to do anything but make a few suggestions for an easy solution to the problem as it is known from the article.
I have first hand experience with rescue people who are pumped up and have cutting tools in their hands. Some thing or someone one is going to get cut and the laws say that if you called, they can destroy all they want until “THEY” say it is all okay.
Plenty of stupid to go around to everybody in this one.
YMMV
Wait, the kid is no danger, right?
A window costs, what, $250?
Maybe that will feed said kid for, what, a month?
Fuck the cops that insist on breaking the damn window.
Personally, I’d call a damn locksmith before 911. It’s cheaper than a window.
ditto
Perhaps the operator was considering what happens to some children who are left inside locked cars: they cook. Read the article (again) and you’ll notice that it was during the summer when the incident happened.
The child WAS in danger:
Children can get sick from heat fairly quickly. What isn’t mentioned is whether or not the windows were rolled up, and if not, if the door locks were of a type that you can use a Slim Jim or coat hanger to unlock or not.
To rephrase, I’m pretty much in total agreement with GusNSpot.
However, unless I’m reading it wrong, it sounds like the mom called to ask a favor.
It probably went something like:
“Can you slimjim my car please? No? Well then can you PLEASE watch my brat for five minutes so I can save $100 and get the other key? No? Oh, now it’s too late and you were all excited to get to break a window? OK, I’ll call my mother, she’ll be here in 15 minutes, look at junior, he’s smiling and he’s fine. Thanks anyway (not). Just leave then you pompous assholes, I’ll take care of it myself. What? Oh, yes, he is sweating a little, he’s probably about to die, you’re right. You now insist on breaking the window? Well FUCK YOU!”
Give me a break. She just must be a bad bad mother for accidently leaving her keys in the car when she locked it to protect her kid, right?. What I mean is, I’d lay dollars to doughnuts that the kid was in no real danger, and it escalated as a battle of egos.
Except that it’s not legal in many places to leave your children in the car, within varying parameters.
Which is why she called someone who she thought she could trust to watch him for five minutes, aka the police.
People are so quick to condemn her with next to no evidence, IMNSHO.
For those arguing that the child would be fine in fifteen minutes locked in a car on a summer day, read the link in post 28 of the thread I just linked. (In my last post here.)
Can somebody watching not tell if the child is in distress? Does that “cite” consider direct sunlight versus shade? Does the article differentiate? How hot was it in connecticut that day?
I apologize to all for getting defensive but dammit there isn’t enough information to condemn this mother yet.
It could be 70 degrees in the shade, and she could have pumped and payed at the pump, accidently locking the keys in. She could have called immediately, after the kid had been there 1 minute when she called, as a responsible mother would. The cops could have shown up in another minute. Her house could have been half a mile away.
I’m just sayin’ is all.
Don’t you think a good deal, if not all of what you ask is information the prosecutor had at the time they filed the charges?
Okay, so let’s say the police agreed to watch the little tykes for five minutes. The mother rushes home and returns with the key. Alas, when the door is opened and she grabs one of the kids, the child has suffered some kind of damage from the excessive heat inside the car. What’s next? Why, she sues the police! After all, the police had no idea how long the children had been in the locked vehicle prior to their arrival.
The police aren’t at fault here.
I would hope so.
But first of all I don’t trust the information he received from the cops, nor his own scruples even if he disbelieved them himself. A prosecutor’s job is to prosecute if he thinks he can win a conviction. His is not to judge guilt or innocence. If he has two cops willing to testify that the kid was in danger the mother fucked either way.
It’s a big mess, and given the civil suit I say the cops are protecting their own asses and can’t be trusted.
YMMV
Hmmm good point.
But I still doubt the kid was ever in any real danger. I tend to give mothers the benefit of the doubt, especially when they call the police to help. You’d have to be a real monster to value an Audi window over your child.
…and I still think there is more to the story.
I think I’m done, though, thanks Monty, you’re a good man.
Well, one more parting shot.
She’s been indicted on two charges. The link in the OP quit working after the 17th time I read it so I can’t detail them but they are both basically child endangerment.
She called the fucking cops to help save her kid. So therefore she’s an unfit parent, right?
I think the charges are either pure spite or retribution for her lawsuit. I don’t know whether the chicken or the egg came first.
But it’s FUCKED.
And that’s 90% of my angst.
I’m guessing she’ll drop the suit if they’ll drop the charges if she drops her suit if they drop… etc…
Link to the same story on a different site. Remember that the child went to the hospital and was treated, then released. They likely have the child’s temperature from the hospital, and charts/graphs showing at what rate it dropped so they can figure about what it was at when removed from the car. Not to mention that it’s possible they maybe got a temperature reading on the car interior as well. I know that in New York, there are police officers who have special devices they can whirl to get the temperature so they can send the cab horses to the stables. (I’ve seen them in use on the Animal Planet show “Animal Precinct”) The officers or paramedics might have had equipment to measure the temperature of the car, it would be useful in emergencies to tell how hot the patient has gotten after all. Of course they aren’t going to spill all the evidence they have out for all to see. Maybe more detail will be forthcoming though. I believe the charges were filed first, THEN the lawsuit. (Because she was being “defamed” by the charges IIRC.)
If I were the cop. I’d caution on the side of error. Window be damned! That kids comming out of there. I’m NOT taking ANYBODY’S word for it that the child is “ok” He was 2 FCOL!!
I will admit that the charges of child endangerment were a little extreme. Even if she was being a bitch about it. They should have just broke the window, got the child out and sent her on her way.
Because quite frankly, I’d like to see this case played out on "Judge Judy"s court.
Gee, I wonder who would win that one? :rolleyes: